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For me, sometimes I can be
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still feel completely alone.

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Not so long ago I was so empty and
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everything I, my six grandchildren had,
my wife, had my kids, had the farm.

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Got everything I wanted and needed.

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For me, sometimes I can be
around a million people and

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still feel completely alone.

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Not so long ago I was so empty and
confused and you know, and I had

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everything I, my six grandchildren had,
my wife, had my kids, had the farm.

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Got everything I wanted and needed.

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And then all of a sudden I'm
like, why do I want to do this?

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Before we begin, just a heads
up that today's episode includes

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discussions of sensitive topics
like sexual assault and suicide.

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If you choose to proceed,
please take care.

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And if you need any support, there
are resources in our show notes.

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Your wellbeing is important.

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So please feel free to pause
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Welcome to Don't Be Caught Dead, a
podcast, encouraging open conversations

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about dying and the death of a loved one.

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I'm your host, Katherine Ashton,
founder of Critical Info.

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And I'm helping to bring your
stories of death back to life.

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Because while you may not be ready
to die, at least you can be prepared.

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Don't Be Caught Dead acknowledges
the lands of the Kulin Nations

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and recognises their connection
to land, sea and community.

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We pay our respects to their
elders, past, present and future.

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Present and emerging and extend
that respect to all Aboriginal and

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Torres Strait Islander and First
Nation peoples around the globe.

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Today we have Bill Edgar.

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Bill has been many things in his life.

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Son of one of Australia's
most notorious gangsters.

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Homeless street cred.

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Maximum security prisoner, hard man,
family man, car thief, professional

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punching bag, philosopher, inventor,
victim of horrific childhood sexual abuse,

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and an activist fighting to bring down
the institutions that let that happen.

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He's also been described as a successful
businessman, counsellor, author, and one

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of Australia's leading private detectives.

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However, he has become infamous
for being the coffin confessor.

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Thanks for being with us today, Bill.

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Oh, thank you for having me.

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And hi to all your listeners.

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Now, I actually think that's probably
the longest list of occupations I've

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ever written off for anyone of my guests.

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And what has been your favorite
role out of all of those to date?

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I'd have to be the latest
as the coffin confessor.

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I mean the PI works good, but, uh,
yeah, the coffin confessor would

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have to be the ultimate role for me.

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I think I was born to do it.

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And what does that

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involve?

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Well, it's basically rocking up to a
funeral, crashing it and exposing the love

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that my client had for all those that were
there or the hate that they had for them

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and telling those to fuck off basically.

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And how did this get started?

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Like did you start off a PI
and then move into this role?

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How is that progression?

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So I was working in the role
of a PI, I was investigating

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finances through a client.

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The client was on his deathbed.

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We got to talking about life, death
and the afterlife and everything

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in between, you know, as you do.

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And yeah, I, it was a joke.

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I just told him straight out as a joke.

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I said, look, I could always
crash your funeral for you.

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And he took me up on the offer.

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I didn't think he was, you know, I thought
he was going to do his own eulogy, but

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he did say that, you know, a lot of
people that he's been to funerals and

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the eulogy is not played that the family
view at first and now the disrespect

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or they just feel it's too confronting.

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So they don't play it.

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So he wanted something more and he got it.

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And tell me, the other roles that
we've mentioned, philosopher, inventor,

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activist, let's go philosopher.

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Tell me a bit about that one.

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That came about just because of,
I suppose, my life, my upbringing.

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Whenever I speak at, uh, events or one
on one with people, I will tend to have

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antidotes or, or, Abilities to help people
cross the line or overcome certain things.

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And I really don't know, you know,
that was something that Penguin Random

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House Australia put in and said,
look, you know, this guy is such a

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philosopher, he's such a great speaker
and the things he says, and he's

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probably lived five lives, you know,
and it was quite for me, it was like.

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I never realized myself that I was,
I was a philosopher or anything

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like that, to be honest with you.

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I really didn't until I really looked
into it and I thought, yeah, okay, I am.

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Well, having read both of your books,
I can tell that you have a very unique

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outlook on life, obviously based
on your own personal experience.

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But what really strikes me when I read
your books and when I've heard you

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speak is your real strong moral code
that you have, like there is things

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you will do and that you will not do.

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Can you talk us through that sort
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have in relation to your role?

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Yeah, I think I, I've always.

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Always, always, always help my
integrity at the highest level.

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I won't sell myself short.

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I won't sell myself out
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And it's just something
I've always, always done.

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I've always sort of been that type
of person that, you know, if I've.

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Stood up for myself, which I've done my
whole life, but stood up for other people.

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It's got to be for the right reason.

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It's got to be for, you know, the fight.

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I love the fight.

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I love standing up for people that
haven't got a voice or can't stand up.

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I love empowering people, but it's
got to be for the right reason.

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And I have a code and an ethics
and a, yeah, and it's a morality

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that I just need to, to have.

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I, I, I think it's just in me.

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It's nothing I've learnt or,
you know, been told to do.

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It's just something I've always thought,
you know, to do, the right thing.

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I mean, my wife has always
said that my whole life.

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You know, she said, never
do anything wrong, Bill.

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The world's so small, you know, and
I'd say, yeah, okay, dear, you know,

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and, and don't lie because you have to
remember a lie and it's terrible as you

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forget that lie, you know, yes, dear, you
know, so, and we brought each other up.

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I mean, we were 15 when we met, so, you
know, that's what, 40 odd years now.

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So.

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You know, it's just something that
has always stuck by me and I've

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always taught my children, you
know, don't lie, cheat or steal.

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They're the three things and I
guess I did those things when I was

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younger and I hated myself for it.

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So I guess, yeah, that's
got a lot to do with it.

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And when you.

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have spoken about what you will
accept and what you won't accept.

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Some of the things that come to my
mind, uh, you will only be engaged

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for your services by the deceased.

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No one else with an ulterior motive.

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What are some of the other
things that you won't accept?

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Well, yeah, that's probably the main
one is I'll only interrupt a funeral

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service on behalf of the deceased or
those that engage me before they pass.

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And that's, there's two reasons for that.

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One is, is that I can investigate
their claims a lot easier.

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So if someone comes to me on their
deathbed or even prior to, you know,

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they're not even going to die and
they say, look, you know, my wife's

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been screwing around with the neighbor
and I want her out at my funeral.

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And I'd be saying, well, look,
you know, that's your wife.

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How about we talk about
you and what you did.

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Leave that to her to expose herself.

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And if she doesn't, then she takes that
to the grave, but let's hear about you.

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So if your wife's been screwing around
behind your back, how did you feel?

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What did it, you know, instead
of outing her and the neighbor, I

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want to hear your story and then it
sort of evolves into what they've

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actually got, which is a really cool
thing because I'm not talking yet.

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about a third party.

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I'm talking about them, you know, and
whilst coffin crashing can sort of tend

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to, you know, be a revenge thing as well.

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Cause some people will go, Hey,
listen, you know, for instance, like

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the first one I ever did crashing
Graham's funeral, he said, look, my

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best mate's doing the eulogy, tell
him to sit down, shut up or fuck off.

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He's been trying to screw my wife.

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At first I thought to myself,
well, I'm going to out a guy

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in front of a heap of people.

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I need proof.

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I need something to actually
substantiate what I'm being told.

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And when Graeme allowed me to
put cameras in his home, within

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24 hours I had all the proof.

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So I was able to stand there
and tell this bloke to fuck off.

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Seriously, you've hurt this family.

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You weren't a friend.

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You can go.

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Half the crowd already knew
this guy was a mongrel.

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So it was good in that respect.

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So, you know, whereas if I was to work
for somebody that says, Oh, excuse

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me, can you crash my mother's funeral?

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You know, people need to
be told this is in this.

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I can't do that because
it's a third party.

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I need to speak to your mother.

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I'd have to have her engage me.

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I don't want to go off hearsay.

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I've always said this, you
know, the truth, you've got

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to, I walk a very fine line.

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You know, it's just one of those things.

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I can't be engaged by a third party.

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And you seem to be, and it may be
your private investigator hat that,

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that has helped you with this, but
you seem to be very clear in relation

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to that fine line when you walk.

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I recall in the, the book, that
story about where the person wanted

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something retrieved, I think from
underneath their fridge in their house.

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And you walked in there.

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And the house wasn't empty.

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No, that's right.

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I mean, no, obviously I understand that
it's the relatives and that the people

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there, you know, are there at the house.

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They shouldn't have been there.

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I was the only one that was
allowed to go to that home.

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I had the keys.

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I had all the entry notes.

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I had a video from the
actual owner of the home.

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I had the location of the
items that had to be retrieved.

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And yet when I get there, yeah,
there's family members rummaging

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through this person's life and
trying to find things that they

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knew he had, but they couldn't find.

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And.

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It was, it was a sad moment,
yet one of them tells me, uh,

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they're going to call the police.

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And I'm, I'm happy for
them to call the police.

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I mean, I've got proof.

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I haven't done a break in it.

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I'm not stealing.

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I'm actually retrieving something on
behalf of the owner of that property.

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So yeah, it can be
confronting in that way.

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And I find that's sort of what empowers
me more, the vultures in the family

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give me the ability to do what I do.

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Because in this particular
instance, that man was still

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alive at that point, wasn't he?

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Yeah, well, you know what, it's, yeah,
he, he was alive and, and the lady

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I sat with in, in the, uh, hospice
ward was alive when her son came in

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and tried to take the rings off her
finger while she's still in bed.

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I mean, it was, it was, it was
tragic, it was heartbreaking

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and obviously he didn't get far.

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But the point was, how many
times has this happened?

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I mean, it's just incredible.

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And it's a topic that you obviously
quite a lot of, but in society,

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we're only really probably since the
aged care commission and, and we've

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really had a light shine on aged
care facilities and also elder abuse.

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I mean, the elder abuse is
the most horrific and hidden.

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It was so hidden.

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I mean, it's only coming out
now, really what goes on.

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You know, I met a lady who runs
an aged care system that said

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that she arrived at work one day.

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There was an elderly gentleman
sitting out the front and his son

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had just dropped him off there.

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He wasn't booked in.

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He wasn't nowhere else to go.

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His son just said, look, dad,
you know, I've had enough.

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You can't live with it anymore and
just dropped him off at a nursing home.

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That's horrific.

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It's terrible what goes on.

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Absolutely horrific.

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And, you know, when I started looking
into the aged care systems and what

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goes on, the people that work there,
most part, are beautiful, caring people.

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But they're struggling.

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They have their own struggles.

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These people go home and they might
have arguments with their partners or,

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you know, they've got other, Troubles
that they've got to deal with, yet

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they're coming in, they're putting
all their effort into caring for

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these elderly people that are being
neglected and abused by family members.

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Or family members are coming
to the centers and saying,

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Oh, we want to see Uncle Joe.

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And they go, We don't even know you.

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We haven't seen you in four years.

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And Uncle Joe's been
lying here for four years.

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So why do you want to
come and see him now?

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You know, and they go, Well,
that's none of your business.

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He's our uncle.

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We're going to see him.

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And they'll go in and they'll,
they'll manipulate him and get him

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to sign things and move him from
that care center to another one.

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And it's all for them, not for him.

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So yeah, it's horrid.

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And when you released your first
book, how long had you been practicing

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as the, the coffin confessor?

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Oh, two years.

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But then we had COVID for two years.

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So, there wasn't a lot going on there.

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So yeah, 2018 was the first crash.

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I think Penguin came to me in 2020.

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COVID was just on the verge.

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And so I started writing
the first book then.

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And, yeah, It, it sort of, it was just
crashing around, there wasn't a lot going

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on, you know, and then COVID, like I
say, two years, there's so many people

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that were intrigued about death during
COVID and were fearful and everybody

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was worried, yet I was sitting here
getting thousands of emails and it

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was just, it was touching to be able
to talk to all these people as well.

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And so to talk me through that time,
what was sort of people reaching

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out to you during that period?

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Well, the coffin confessor sort of
become a global phenomenon instantly.

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It was ridiculous how quick it took off.

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And I was getting emails for requests from
people that were not even close to death.

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They were just thinking about
what they needed to put in place.

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And I'd write back to them and
say, well, you know, these are my

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thoughts of what you should do, you
know, not just have a funeral plan.

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Cause some people would reach out and say,
yeah, I paid money for a funeral plan.

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And I say, yeah, but you know, you plan
what you're going to do on the weekend

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and you go and do that on the weekend.

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Have you told your wife how much your
lover or your husband, how much you

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love them or what they want every day,
because you may not come home that night.

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And they're like, Oh no, and then
I'll say to them, what's at home?

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You don't want your family and friends
to find, and they go, Oh, nothing.

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And then they go, Oh shit.

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Yeah.

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There is a few things I
don't want them to find.

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You know, that's why you're at work.

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You could pass away and someone's going to
go through your shit, you know, and they,

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all of a sudden, you know, it's a problem.

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They'd interact and we'd go back and
forth and then, you know, so it's a

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multitude of people either thinking
about what they wanted or telling me

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stories about what they should have
done at their family's funerals, you

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know, loved one's funerals, you know,
by getting up and saying a few things

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because a lot of people said funerals
are for the living, not for the deceased.

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And I've always disagreed with that.

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I believe that it's for the deceased.

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You're there to celebrate the deceased.

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So let them have a say.

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And if it's through me,
it's still their say.

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I'm just the messenger.

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And tell me, what are some of those
things that people wish they'd said?

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Well, a lot of times I'd get emails from
people saying, look, you know, I'd be

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sitting there as one of the mourners and
I'd be hearing the eulogies and I'd be

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thinking, my grandfather wasn't like that.

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He was a prick.

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He wasn't all lovey dovey and nice.

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He was a hard man.

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He was a prick of a man.

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And most of us know that.

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And I wish I had stood up and said,
excuse me, that's, you know, let's get

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all the fluffy stuff out of the way.

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That's crap.

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Let's talk about the real person.

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And that was, you know, The majority of
the emails I received is what people wish

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they had have said about the true person
and not just out of respect remain silent.

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And do you think it's the
funeral that's the catalyst?

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It's something that they probably should
have said when the person was still

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alive and said you're an arsehole.

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I think a lot of times the
people have already said that.

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You know, and that's gone back and forth.

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I think it's more of a case that
it doesn't matter what those

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people say or have not said.

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You know, it's more about the person
in the coffin now and what they've

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got to say, you know, they're
the ones that are laying there

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and they've left a message now.

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And they're going back and
saying, you know what, my family,

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you're a bunch of pricks, you're
vultures, you did this, this and

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this, you know, maybe that person.

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And I've spoken to some people that
said, look, I couldn't confront

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my family like that because.

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They would have ostracized me.

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They would have left me and
I would have had nobody.

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And I'd say, well, now you're
doing it from the afterlife.

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How do you feel about that?

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And they say, great.

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And so you're sure you feel really good
about that because, you know, you're

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going to leave a whirlwind of turmoil and
they'd say, but they already really know.

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If they really, really, really loved
me and knew me, they'd know already.

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I'm like, okay, cool.

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You know, so yeah, it wasn't much of a
secret for those that truly knew him.

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It's a bit devastating for others, but
that's where collateral damage comes in.

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And I like the fact that your perspective
is quite refreshing in the fact that

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it always seems to come back to the
deceased and the wishes of the deceased

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which is a perspective that we don't
really think of because as you mentioned

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we sometimes view the funeral and the
ritual associated with the funeral for

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everyone else, not actually the deceased.

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Oh yeah, absolutely.

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You can go to any funeral today.

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You can go to any funeral at a church
service and the minister will always

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Always, always greet and hug and the
people that are there, the living, eight

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times out of 10, they forget the person's
name in the casket, or they say something

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that's just not in line with what the
person was or that, and then they'll

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forget what they were about to say, or
they'll read something different and then

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they'll say, Oh, let us pray instead of
the real truth about Yeah, why they should

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be there and it's for the person, you
know, so I see that time and time again.

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I find that very offensive in a way,
because again, and I'll say this till

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the day I die, it's their funeral.

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It's not yours.

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It's theirs.

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You know, if they've told you
certain things that they want

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at their funeral, then do it.

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If the church refuses to do those
things, then the church Should

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not have their funeral then, you
know, and that happens a lot.

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And do you think people are
truly aware of the fact that they

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have the ability to make these
choices when they are still alive?

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They can choose, you know, what
they do for their funeral, they

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can choose who speaks, and they
can even write their own melody.

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Do you think people are really
aware that they have these choices?

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Well, they do now.

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And that's the, that's the
beauty of what I've done.

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And I, I think I've got the world talking
in a good way about funerals and not only

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funerals, but about wakes, will readings,
whatever it is, I've got them talking and

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it's in a good way and it's, it's not,
you know, A lot of people don't speak

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about death because a couple of reasons.

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One of those reasons I found is,
and I found this bizarre, but a lot

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of people think that if they speak
about it, it's going to happen.

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So they just don't talk about it.

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And I met a lady not so long ago that
said that her mom and dad just passed

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away four weeks within each other.

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And she didn't know if to bury
or cremate them because they

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never had the conversation.

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And I thought, wow, you know,
that is such a responsibility

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for her to have on her shoulders.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And, and what does she do?

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And I said to her, well, you know,
do you create one and bury one?

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And she goes, I really do not know.

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And I've got nobody to ask
because no one ever knew.

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And I said, well, you know, that's
something that's now on your, your

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shoulders and it's a shame, but I'm
going to use that story to empower

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other people to talk because that's
what we need to do is talk about it.

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And obviously you've been well and
truly talking about it since, you know,

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2020 and, you know, you're still here.

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Oh yeah.

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Yeah.

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I'm not going anywhere.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I don't mind if I do either
because I've always said I envy the dead.

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I envy what they know because they know
what I don't and that, that pisses me off.

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But, uh, yeah, at the same
time, I love life too.

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I really do now.

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Yeah.

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It's, yeah, it's cool.

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So tell me, who is Bill Edgar?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You know, besides all of the
hats that we've mentioned,

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what do you do on your day off?

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You know, when I'm with people,
I'm the center of attention,

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but I love to be by myself.

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I love to be on my own.

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You know, I have a hobby farm.

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I live on a hobby farm and I love to
be being here 90 percent of the time.

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I had this thing where I like
animals more than I do people.

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I probably, it's grown more since I've
become the Coffin Confessor, but I've

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got to say the people I've met and
have passed over now are lovely people

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and they've really, um, helped me to
not look at the bad anymore in people.

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And that's something I did my whole life.

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I always looked in the bad first.

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And my wife used to say,
look at the good in people.

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I go, no, there is no good in people.

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Well, there is.

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I just didn't see it.

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I wasn't willing to open my eyes
and have a look closer, you know,

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I was too protective of myself and
not letting anybody in, which is

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a detriment to my older age now,
because now I'm thinking I don't

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have a friend in the world and that's
not because of anything else but me.

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And I don't want to carry
out other people's baggage.

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You know, I still know a lot of
people, you know, the family I came

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from, you know, I, I could see him all
better, he wouldn't worry me at all,

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the family I've created otherwise.

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Is, you know, the breath and the love of
my life, you know, so me, I'm just me.

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I'm no one special.

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I'm just, yeah, I'm just Bill.

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And that sort of protection of yourself
and keeping people at distance, that's

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from every of your books is really
based on that survivor mentality.

427
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Is that right?

428
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Oh, absolutely.

429
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Yeah.

430
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I mean, yeah, I, I had my childhood
stolen when I was seven, you

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know, and I never got it back.

432
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Never.

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Yeah.

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And at the same time, I could
say the same for my religion.

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I never had a religion.

436
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I was never allowed to, you know, have a
choosing of any of those, you know, the

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childhood and religion was stolen from
me and everyone I met was a predator.

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No one helped, and those that
I thought would help, that I

439
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confided in, were a predator.

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So, I was just, it was just a terrible
circumstance for me to be in, you know.

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And, you know, I've heard stories
of horrific abuse, and there's some

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really, really terrible stories.

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And then, I look at my own,
and I think, how is it?

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A boy can end up with four abusers.

445
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I just don't, it just blew
me away how that happened.

446
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You know, I just can't fathom
how four grown married men.

447
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With families could do that.

448
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I mean, I just, yeah.

449
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So there was no trust.

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It

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says a

452
00:23:07,250 --> 00:23:08,389
lot about those men.

453
00:23:08,890 --> 00:23:09,660
Well, it does.

454
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:10,460
It does.

455
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,710
And then you think to yourself,
you know, like people have asked me

456
00:23:14,719 --> 00:23:18,159
about regrets and things in life,
you know, and what, what do I regret?

457
00:23:18,169 --> 00:23:22,510
And then I've got to go back to always
saying my biggest regret in life was when

458
00:23:22,510 --> 00:23:25,909
I was a kid, I took it out on the gay
community, I'd bash the gay community

459
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:27,399
because that's what society said.

460
00:23:27,399 --> 00:23:29,730
Society said that they were
gay, they were pedophiles and

461
00:23:29,730 --> 00:23:30,809
that's what they did to children.

462
00:23:31,710 --> 00:23:32,110
Well, no.

463
00:23:32,845 --> 00:23:36,274
Mine was married men, you know,
it wasn't a gay community,

464
00:23:36,325 --> 00:23:37,274
they had nothing to do with it.

465
00:23:37,860 --> 00:23:39,220
And that's a big regret that I had.

466
00:23:39,710 --> 00:23:45,720
From that time, you seem to, and it's, you
know, seems to be well documented, that

467
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:51,849
aggression and that anger that came out
and manifested itself in, in many ways.

468
00:23:52,239 --> 00:23:55,710
So you ended up in, in
jail for a period of time.

469
00:23:56,250 --> 00:23:59,340
So when did that anger stop,

470
00:23:59,510 --> 00:23:59,830
Bill?

471
00:24:00,310 --> 00:24:01,750
It didn't stop.

472
00:24:01,810 --> 00:24:05,405
I think it converted into A pain thing.

473
00:24:05,425 --> 00:24:10,095
I always, for some reason, I don't
know why, but I used to like pain.

474
00:24:10,635 --> 00:24:15,294
I used to, I used to just enjoy pain
because it made me feel alive as I

475
00:24:15,295 --> 00:24:16,905
was, you know, something was happening.

476
00:24:16,915 --> 00:24:22,395
It was just a weird transition and I
could start an argument, a fight and,

477
00:24:22,405 --> 00:24:27,285
and a really bad fight, you know, and
I'd stand there and get beaten to a pulp.

478
00:24:27,735 --> 00:24:30,445
And I'd laugh and they'd hit me
more because I was laughing, you

479
00:24:30,445 --> 00:24:31,715
know, it's just like enjoying it.

480
00:24:31,715 --> 00:24:32,725
And they didn't understand.

481
00:24:32,745 --> 00:24:36,485
No one could understand, you know,
it's just a, so the anger sort of

482
00:24:36,485 --> 00:24:40,144
transitioned into a pain thing where I
enjoyed the pain and the anger was sort

483
00:24:40,145 --> 00:24:42,604
of getting taken or replaced by that.

484
00:24:42,635 --> 00:24:44,184
I don't know why or how, but it did.

485
00:24:44,689 --> 00:24:45,070
And

486
00:24:45,610 --> 00:24:49,530
to a degree that seeking of pain
hasn't stopped, has it Bill?

487
00:24:50,170 --> 00:24:55,430
It's manifested in a very strange
way that you talk through in the

488
00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:59,100
book about visiting the dentist.

489
00:24:59,700 --> 00:25:02,590
Yeah, so every now and then,
I suppose it's like anybody

490
00:25:02,590 --> 00:25:05,870
that has or had an addiction or
something, you know, in their life.

491
00:25:06,380 --> 00:25:09,600
They revisit it and most
won't cross the line.

492
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,320
You know, they'll go, nah, but I'm there.

493
00:25:11,380 --> 00:25:12,980
I mean, it's like giving up smoking.

494
00:25:12,980 --> 00:25:14,560
You think, oh yeah, I could just have one.

495
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:19,209
You know, for me, sometimes I
can be around a million people

496
00:25:19,210 --> 00:25:20,910
and still feel completely alone.

497
00:25:21,539 --> 00:25:22,770
And I have that feeling.

498
00:25:23,270 --> 00:25:27,760
Yeah, and the pain thing is, as I
say, a transition from the anger,

499
00:25:27,970 --> 00:25:34,370
but it came to me again, not so long
ago where I was so empty and confused

500
00:25:34,370 --> 00:25:36,240
and, you know, and I had everything.

501
00:25:36,370 --> 00:25:39,940
I have my six grandchildren, have
my wife, have my kids, had the farm,

502
00:25:40,339 --> 00:25:41,950
got everything I wanted and needed.

503
00:25:42,249 --> 00:25:46,034
And then all of a sudden I'm
like, Why do I want to do this?

504
00:25:46,114 --> 00:25:49,284
And then I thought the only way
possible was, you know, to feel a

505
00:25:49,284 --> 00:25:51,034
bit of pain and feel myself again.

506
00:25:51,695 --> 00:25:55,205
And it doesn't happen often or all
the time, but it happened recently

507
00:25:55,205 --> 00:26:00,034
and I went to the dentist and yeah,
I had all my old feelings drilled

508
00:26:00,125 --> 00:26:03,104
out and replaced in porcelain all
in one hit without anesthetic.

509
00:26:03,125 --> 00:26:04,635
She wasn't going to do it.

510
00:26:04,645 --> 00:26:05,544
She didn't want to do it.

511
00:26:05,555 --> 00:26:08,425
She thought it was going to be
really, really painful and yeah,

512
00:26:08,425 --> 00:26:09,985
it could go against anything.

513
00:26:10,530 --> 00:26:14,760
that she does, but, uh, I insisted
that I get done and I'd be okay.

514
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:19,689
And yeah, the pain was horrendous,
not enjoyable, but it was horrendous.

515
00:26:19,689 --> 00:26:20,950
And it made me feel alive.

516
00:26:20,979 --> 00:26:24,099
And I just thought, ah, there's
a session that's over with.

517
00:26:24,099 --> 00:26:28,829
And I hope it, you know, each time it
diminishes further, you know, who knows.

518
00:26:29,310 --> 00:26:34,000
Because you did have, for want of a
better word, an opportunity to see,

519
00:26:34,540 --> 00:26:38,110
I was going to use the word closure,
but that's not really the right term.

520
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:42,960
Perhaps you can explain that process
when you went through the compensation

521
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:49,299
claim and that horrific period of going
to court and dealing with the school.

522
00:26:49,899 --> 00:26:53,480
And how did that feel
when that was over, Bill?

523
00:26:53,844 --> 00:26:54,904
Oh yeah, incredible.

524
00:26:54,985 --> 00:26:58,814
I mean, look, you know, again,
like I, I go back to my childhood.

525
00:26:58,814 --> 00:27:02,614
I was 12 years old living in
government housing, dyslexic with no

526
00:27:02,614 --> 00:27:05,114
ability or anything except sporting.

527
00:27:05,134 --> 00:27:06,514
I was very, very sporty.

528
00:27:06,514 --> 00:27:09,894
And I won a five year scholarship to the
most prestigious school in Australia,

529
00:27:10,385 --> 00:27:14,705
you know, the Southport school, TSS boy's
school that was renowned for just money.

530
00:27:14,705 --> 00:27:19,205
And it was dripping in wealth, you
know, and I get put in there and all

531
00:27:19,205 --> 00:27:23,355
of a sudden I'm thrown into To the
lions, you know, I didn't know, I had no

532
00:27:23,355 --> 00:27:25,215
idea, but it was pedophiles playground.

533
00:27:25,855 --> 00:27:32,395
And I was, I was just, you know, thrown
in there and then, you know, abused

534
00:27:32,395 --> 00:27:36,275
and subjected to the worst horrific
abuse you could imagine at that school.

535
00:27:36,774 --> 00:27:39,825
And I buried it all, you know,
and I never spoke about it.

536
00:27:39,865 --> 00:27:42,664
And then it was a schoolmate
who was a policeman.

537
00:27:42,995 --> 00:27:44,354
And played for Australia.

538
00:27:44,444 --> 00:27:47,704
You know, Peter Jackson was the,
everybody wanted to be Peter Jackson.

539
00:27:47,715 --> 00:27:51,094
He was the best sport, well played,
played for the Broncos, played for

540
00:27:51,094 --> 00:27:53,314
Queensland, played for Australia.

541
00:27:53,334 --> 00:27:56,885
He was just an amazing
man, funny, beautiful man.

542
00:27:57,414 --> 00:28:00,014
And he came out and said he was
abused at the Southport school.

543
00:28:00,524 --> 00:28:04,375
And my heart dropped and I thought,
shit, I thought I was the only one.

544
00:28:04,854 --> 00:28:07,175
And if it could happen to him,
it could happen to anyone.

545
00:28:07,805 --> 00:28:10,655
And then in 1997, he killed himself.

546
00:28:11,165 --> 00:28:13,934
And I thought, fuck, he was broken.

547
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:15,930
I'm bent, but I'm not broken.

548
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:16,930
I'm not going to break.

549
00:28:17,410 --> 00:28:19,730
So I took up the fight
against the Southport school.

550
00:28:20,495 --> 00:28:24,525
And for 30 odd years, I'd fight the
school, and I had so many lawyers, and

551
00:28:24,535 --> 00:28:27,805
going back and forth, and the school
called me a liar, and I was going to

552
00:28:27,815 --> 00:28:32,345
be sued, and I'd go into jail, and I
just kept, I was relentless, I just

553
00:28:32,345 --> 00:28:35,805
said, no, this is what happened, and
this is who did it, and this is what

554
00:28:35,805 --> 00:28:37,094
I want, and what I'm going to do.

555
00:28:37,825 --> 00:28:41,205
And, yeah, for years and years, and
then finally, the church who owns

556
00:28:41,205 --> 00:28:44,135
the Southport School, the Anglican
Church, came forward, and they said,

557
00:28:44,135 --> 00:28:47,795
look, We can't find anything, you
know, we don't believe it happened.

558
00:28:47,865 --> 00:28:52,025
And for two years, back and forth with
solicitors, then finally they come to

559
00:28:52,025 --> 00:28:55,985
the table and they said, yeah, well,
we're going to offer a settlement.

560
00:28:56,465 --> 00:28:56,855
Yeah.

561
00:28:57,455 --> 00:29:00,975
And I, at the time, I didn't
want a fucking settlement.

562
00:29:01,154 --> 00:29:02,205
I wanted justice.

563
00:29:02,234 --> 00:29:04,804
I wanted these men held to account.

564
00:29:05,174 --> 00:29:07,865
But you're forced to take
a settlement in Queensland.

565
00:29:08,425 --> 00:29:11,344
You have to take the settlement
or you walk away with nothing and

566
00:29:11,344 --> 00:29:12,975
the perpetrators, they get off.

567
00:29:13,465 --> 00:29:14,774
They're allowed to teach today.

568
00:29:15,034 --> 00:29:16,205
They're still walking free.

569
00:29:16,534 --> 00:29:19,365
And what really pissed me off
the most is, why didn't the

570
00:29:19,375 --> 00:29:21,195
church and school stand by me?

571
00:29:21,814 --> 00:29:23,264
They only hired these men.

572
00:29:23,605 --> 00:29:25,614
They didn't know the men
were pedophiles, surely.

573
00:29:25,665 --> 00:29:27,665
And if they did, well,
they should burn in hell.

574
00:29:27,805 --> 00:29:31,354
But let's say they didn't and
they just hired these teachers and

575
00:29:31,355 --> 00:29:35,255
those teachers were that bad and
prolific at what they did and abuse.

576
00:29:35,495 --> 00:29:39,235
Why didn't the church and school stand by
me and say, Hey, listen, this is wrong.

577
00:29:39,575 --> 00:29:40,424
We're going to help you.

578
00:29:40,735 --> 00:29:43,155
We're going to stand up and we're
going to put these people in jail.

579
00:29:43,165 --> 00:29:46,235
How dare they do that on our
school grounds to our children.

580
00:29:46,545 --> 00:29:47,085
But they didn't.

581
00:29:47,395 --> 00:29:49,495
They just paid me out and
let them keep teaching.

582
00:29:50,025 --> 00:29:51,945
So I was, yeah, horrified.

583
00:29:52,404 --> 00:29:57,725
Do you continue to advocate today
for other victims of child abuse?

584
00:29:58,880 --> 00:29:59,580
Oh, absolutely.

585
00:29:59,580 --> 00:30:01,940
I started a Facebook page in 2012.

586
00:30:01,940 --> 00:30:03,510
It's called The Lost Boy of TSS.

587
00:30:04,060 --> 00:30:09,570
I've spoken to over 133 boys from that
school that were abused in some way,

588
00:30:09,580 --> 00:30:11,129
sexually, physically, or mentally.

589
00:30:11,210 --> 00:30:13,510
And a lot of them have
been compensated now.

590
00:30:13,899 --> 00:30:16,549
Again, none of us have got justice.

591
00:30:17,175 --> 00:30:18,815
But I leave the page open.

592
00:30:18,945 --> 00:30:22,965
It's something that the school
wanted closed down, but I refused.

593
00:30:22,965 --> 00:30:23,875
I won't close it down.

594
00:30:23,875 --> 00:30:26,335
I'll leave it there for
victims to come forward.

595
00:30:26,755 --> 00:30:29,815
I don't push victims to come forward,
but I do say to them, look, if you

596
00:30:29,815 --> 00:30:33,494
want to stop being a victim and become
a survivor, this is how you do it.

597
00:30:33,835 --> 00:30:37,205
And I try to guide them and show them
how it's done and things like that.

598
00:30:37,615 --> 00:30:39,545
Unfortunately, lawyers are no better.

599
00:30:39,755 --> 00:30:42,095
You know, the whole system sucks.

600
00:30:42,145 --> 00:30:45,655
It's just designed and set up
for the average person to fail.

601
00:30:45,674 --> 00:30:47,324
It's too hard and complicated.

602
00:30:47,344 --> 00:30:50,995
So, if I can guide them in a way
that's a bit easier for them, you

603
00:30:50,995 --> 00:30:52,864
know, I believe I've helped that way.

604
00:30:52,864 --> 00:30:54,055
So, yeah, I try.

605
00:30:54,585 --> 00:30:58,545
And do you mind sharing some of the
things that you share with them to

606
00:30:58,545 --> 00:31:00,945
help them sort of survive and move

607
00:31:00,945 --> 00:31:01,454
through it?

608
00:31:01,895 --> 00:31:05,865
Yeah, so, uh, well, a couple of things
I, I advise and, and told them to do

609
00:31:05,865 --> 00:31:09,755
is that it's always good to, you know,
because a lot of victims, they have

610
00:31:09,924 --> 00:31:13,715
a couple of things, it's a problem is
that, you know, the church and the school

611
00:31:13,775 --> 00:31:18,254
looked at a victim as being somebody
that was a drug addict, alcoholic,

612
00:31:18,275 --> 00:31:20,615
in prison and just worthless, right?

613
00:31:20,685 --> 00:31:22,644
And they'll, they'll look at
them like, Oh, that's sad.

614
00:31:22,654 --> 00:31:26,374
When they looked at me, they said, Oh,
he's too successful to be compensated.

615
00:31:27,124 --> 00:31:29,434
Obviously the abuse
didn't harm him that much.

616
00:31:30,250 --> 00:31:31,190
I was like, fuck off.

617
00:31:31,350 --> 00:31:34,190
I use the abuse to empower myself
and make myself stronger so I

618
00:31:34,190 --> 00:31:35,360
could get back at you prick.

619
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:40,979
So, you know, so I let people know that
first off, they've got to keep a diary.

620
00:31:41,330 --> 00:31:42,660
They've got to diarize everything.

621
00:31:42,660 --> 00:31:43,700
Everything's in the memory.

622
00:31:43,700 --> 00:31:44,550
You've got to bring it back.

623
00:31:44,559 --> 00:31:47,379
You've got to put it in
as much detail as you can.

624
00:31:47,690 --> 00:31:51,680
As sad and as shocking and as
abusive as it was, you've got

625
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,560
to recall every fact you can.

626
00:31:54,050 --> 00:31:57,220
And it doesn't matter if you can't
remember the date or time, but you'll

627
00:31:57,350 --> 00:32:01,390
remember the day, whether it was an
afternoon, a morning, a nighttime, you

628
00:32:01,390 --> 00:32:05,319
know, you'll remember the area you were
in, what the area looked like at the time.

629
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:06,730
So you need all those specifics.

630
00:32:06,740 --> 00:32:10,229
So that way it helps you to
able to substantiate where

631
00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:11,369
you were and what happened.

632
00:32:11,780 --> 00:32:16,060
And no one can discredit that with me
because I'd say I was in the headmaster's

633
00:32:16,060 --> 00:32:18,670
office, you know, and it looked like
this, and it had this picture on

634
00:32:18,670 --> 00:32:20,200
the wall and those sort of things.

635
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:21,649
And they'd go, Oh no, it didn't.

636
00:32:21,660 --> 00:32:22,530
Then other boys would go.

637
00:32:23,255 --> 00:32:23,845
Yes, it did.

638
00:32:24,435 --> 00:32:25,405
I was in that office too.

639
00:32:25,415 --> 00:32:26,385
It did have that.

640
00:32:27,045 --> 00:32:28,475
And they weren't abused or anything.

641
00:32:28,475 --> 00:32:31,035
They just say they were in that
office and they remember seeing that

642
00:32:31,035 --> 00:32:33,695
picture or that statue or something.

643
00:32:34,034 --> 00:32:36,795
So it highlights those sort
of things for a victim.

644
00:32:36,815 --> 00:32:38,814
You know, they've got to bring
all those things forward.

645
00:32:38,814 --> 00:32:40,914
So, yeah, they diarise everything.

646
00:32:40,934 --> 00:32:42,335
Everything's got to be brought out.

647
00:32:42,864 --> 00:32:44,785
I named and shamed my abusers.

648
00:32:45,225 --> 00:32:47,555
And I do that because I didn't care.

649
00:32:47,915 --> 00:32:49,615
And people say, what about their families?

650
00:32:49,625 --> 00:32:50,645
Fuck their families.

651
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:52,520
I didn't care about them.

652
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,150
I had to out these people
because of what they did to me.

653
00:32:56,380 --> 00:33:01,250
Now, if these people have got, you know,
daughters that are in their 30s or 40s

654
00:33:01,390 --> 00:33:05,070
and they're going on and they're having
great careers and then all of a sudden

655
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:10,389
their dad's come out as a pedophile at
the Southport School, well, so what?

656
00:33:10,570 --> 00:33:14,270
Well, I've got to keep that hidden because
you've got a radio gig or something

657
00:33:14,270 --> 00:33:16,060
going on and that's what happened to me.

658
00:33:16,060 --> 00:33:18,450
You know, I was getting threatened
by certain people that would

659
00:33:18,450 --> 00:33:20,025
say, you That's my father.

660
00:33:20,025 --> 00:33:21,405
How dare you put that out there?

661
00:33:21,405 --> 00:33:24,365
And I go, well, your father's a
pedophile and this is what he did.

662
00:33:24,735 --> 00:33:27,185
And they go, can't you just
keep that, you know, between

663
00:33:27,185 --> 00:33:28,725
you and the, the justice system?

664
00:33:28,725 --> 00:33:30,055
You don't have to air it everywhere.

665
00:33:30,055 --> 00:33:32,325
And I'm like, no, fuck you.

666
00:33:32,614 --> 00:33:32,944
No.

667
00:33:33,324 --> 00:33:37,074
Cause isn't that perpetrating
the whole problem that's already

668
00:33:37,094 --> 00:33:41,365
around child sexual abuse anyway
is keeping it behind closed doors.

669
00:33:41,835 --> 00:33:42,615
Exactly.

670
00:33:42,735 --> 00:33:43,455
Exactly.

671
00:33:43,455 --> 00:33:44,215
And that's the thing.

672
00:33:44,225 --> 00:33:45,985
That's what I'd be saying to these people.

673
00:33:46,205 --> 00:33:47,535
Why would you want to hide that?

674
00:33:48,145 --> 00:33:50,555
And they go, I dealt
with my father back then.

675
00:33:51,065 --> 00:33:54,635
Well, if you dealt with him back
then, why is he still teaching?

676
00:33:54,635 --> 00:33:55,725
Why is it still going on?

677
00:33:55,735 --> 00:33:58,484
And why didn't you reach out to, you
know, why didn't you say something?

678
00:33:58,484 --> 00:33:59,464
Why didn't you do something?

679
00:33:59,464 --> 00:34:03,685
You know, it's, it's like, well, it wasn't
my position or my abilities to do that.

680
00:34:03,695 --> 00:34:04,865
No, it is mine.

681
00:34:05,015 --> 00:34:05,925
And this is what I'm doing.

682
00:34:06,515 --> 00:34:09,479
So yeah, I sort of let victims
know they can name and shame.

683
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,660
Not a problem, if they've got the
facts and it truly happened, name and

684
00:34:12,660 --> 00:34:16,960
shame it, you know, I don't give a fuck
what anybody says, do it, you know,

685
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:24,220
so diary, name and shame, and always,
as much as possible, reach out to not

686
00:34:24,270 --> 00:34:27,790
only people that may help you, like
psychiatrists and things like that,

687
00:34:28,170 --> 00:34:31,220
but reach out to areas that you're in.

688
00:34:31,670 --> 00:34:34,590
Me, I was at a school, so I could
reach out to other classmates.

689
00:34:34,935 --> 00:34:37,495
And say, look, you know, this sucks.

690
00:34:37,515 --> 00:34:39,155
I'm reaching out because
this happened to me.

691
00:34:39,155 --> 00:34:41,795
I don't know if it happened to you
or if it did or not, you know, and

692
00:34:41,795 --> 00:34:45,095
they turn around, like a lot of times
they turn around and say, fuck, no,

693
00:34:45,105 --> 00:34:47,394
that didn't happen to me, but it
may have happened to my brother.

694
00:34:47,424 --> 00:34:48,464
Can you have a chat to him?

695
00:34:48,464 --> 00:34:50,905
And then all of a sudden I found
out that yeah, the brother was

696
00:34:50,905 --> 00:34:52,325
being abused or somebody else.

697
00:34:52,325 --> 00:34:52,555
So.

698
00:34:53,285 --> 00:34:55,195
Yeah, it's a momentum thing.

699
00:34:55,235 --> 00:34:58,085
Once you've got the momentum
behind you and you're telling

700
00:34:58,085 --> 00:34:59,795
the truth, nothing will stop you.

701
00:35:00,295 --> 00:35:04,654
That seems to be also embedded in what
you were saying earlier, Bill, with

702
00:35:04,735 --> 00:35:09,904
the fact that the story that you're
hired to tell is from the person

703
00:35:10,194 --> 00:35:12,315
and the perspective of the deceased.

704
00:35:12,614 --> 00:35:17,686
And you're all talking about now,
talking about your story, and so

705
00:35:17,686 --> 00:35:23,920
that obviously very Being able to
talk about your own personal story.

706
00:35:24,180 --> 00:35:25,190
Oh, yeah, absolutely.

707
00:35:25,220 --> 00:35:29,150
I mean, I've never, I've never,
you know, been backward in coming

708
00:35:29,150 --> 00:35:30,769
forward when it comes to my story.

709
00:35:30,770 --> 00:35:37,250
I mean, you know, my story might be
horrific to a lot of people and to myself.

710
00:35:37,290 --> 00:35:40,310
I look at it now as just a story.

711
00:35:40,310 --> 00:35:43,120
I won't allow it to control
any part of my life.

712
00:35:43,620 --> 00:35:48,590
You know, I used it to empower my life,
but now you asked me how I felt after

713
00:35:48,590 --> 00:35:51,950
the process of going to court and, and
getting the settlement walking away.

714
00:35:52,250 --> 00:35:56,990
I wrote in my book that I thought,
I honestly thought that I'd be high

715
00:35:56,990 --> 00:36:00,720
fiving running out and no, it's
all over, you know, and that, but

716
00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:02,700
it, it hit me like a ton of bricks.

717
00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:06,920
I was left so empty, you know, the
little boy inside me that I've been

718
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:11,550
protecting and hiding and fighting for
my whole life said it's time to go.

719
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:13,980
And that was just like, holy shit.

720
00:36:14,470 --> 00:36:18,050
You know, and I had no, I didn't,
I was walking back to the hotel

721
00:36:18,310 --> 00:36:22,390
from mediation and I'm thinking,
fuck, I got to get off the street.

722
00:36:22,390 --> 00:36:23,380
I'm having an attack.

723
00:36:23,530 --> 00:36:24,669
I didn't know what was going on.

724
00:36:24,709 --> 00:36:27,260
So I had to run into a clothes
shop and just go into the

725
00:36:27,539 --> 00:36:28,720
change room and sit there.

726
00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:30,669
And I was like, what
the fuck just happened?

727
00:36:31,130 --> 00:36:32,670
I should be happy, but I wasn't.

728
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,910
I was, but I wasn't, if
you know what I mean?

729
00:36:34,910 --> 00:36:35,930
I was, I was empty.

730
00:36:36,230 --> 00:36:40,430
I just, I couldn't believe that it
was finally finished all those years.

731
00:36:41,930 --> 00:36:46,190
You know, the school and the church
came forward and without say, you're

732
00:36:46,190 --> 00:36:48,340
not a liar, you're not a liar.

733
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,350
It's just, yeah, it was ridiculous.

734
00:36:51,820 --> 00:36:52,160
Yeah.

735
00:36:52,630 --> 00:36:52,970
Crazy.

736
00:36:53,615 --> 00:36:55,815
And so what gets you up
in the morning now, Bill?

737
00:36:56,305 --> 00:36:57,535
What gets me up in the morning?

738
00:36:57,545 --> 00:36:58,105
You know what?

739
00:36:58,385 --> 00:36:59,905
I've got to be honest with you now.

740
00:37:00,445 --> 00:37:03,594
I've always said that, uh, if you
always do what you've always done,

741
00:37:03,595 --> 00:37:05,285
you'll always get what you always got.

742
00:37:05,714 --> 00:37:06,054
Right?

743
00:37:06,084 --> 00:37:08,124
So I look at things differently now.

744
00:37:08,205 --> 00:37:11,434
In my whole life, everything's changed
since I've become the coffin professor.

745
00:37:11,434 --> 00:37:13,004
I look at life differently.

746
00:37:13,395 --> 00:37:16,415
I look at it as though, you know,
I'm not going to live and then die.

747
00:37:16,425 --> 00:37:17,455
I'm going to die living.

748
00:37:17,910 --> 00:37:18,830
I'm very healthy.

749
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,060
I like to keep my health.

750
00:37:20,270 --> 00:37:25,810
I like to make sure that, like, I'm 56 and
I'm thinking, fuck, you know, I'm a Gen X.

751
00:37:25,870 --> 00:37:26,809
Probably you are too.

752
00:37:27,060 --> 00:37:30,160
So we were born 30 and
we'll die 30, right?

753
00:37:30,990 --> 00:37:35,410
So really, there's no real,
it's just a number for us.

754
00:37:35,830 --> 00:37:39,790
But I look at people my age and I think
to myself, you've got to keep moving.

755
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:40,640
You can't stop.

756
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:45,850
You just got to keep moving because
whilst 56 to me isn't very old and I'm

757
00:37:45,850 --> 00:37:49,360
fit and healthy to some it is, you know,
and I think, well, I want to be 66,

758
00:37:49,540 --> 00:37:53,379
76, 86, but I want my health, you know?

759
00:37:53,700 --> 00:37:58,190
So that's what gets me up in the morning
is to be able to get up and enjoy life.

760
00:37:58,210 --> 00:38:00,790
And it might even just
be staying on the farm.

761
00:38:01,330 --> 00:38:04,100
Lara's, you know, with me all the time.

762
00:38:04,100 --> 00:38:07,150
She does a lot of things with her
friends and that, but she's here, you

763
00:38:07,150 --> 00:38:08,895
know, to help 90 percent of the time.

764
00:38:09,215 --> 00:38:10,495
And we love gardening.

765
00:38:10,495 --> 00:38:11,425
We love the horses.

766
00:38:11,425 --> 00:38:12,905
We love just doing stuff together.

767
00:38:13,265 --> 00:38:13,705
I don't know.

768
00:38:13,715 --> 00:38:18,565
I think that's, yeah, that's, that's
what gets me going and living life, life.

769
00:38:19,255 --> 00:38:24,685
And you talk about a very vulnerable
time when it wasn't something that

770
00:38:24,715 --> 00:38:28,674
happened to you, but it was what
happened to Lara in relation to an

771
00:38:28,675 --> 00:38:31,055
accident that was totally unforeseen.

772
00:38:31,825 --> 00:38:39,165
How has that impacted on how
you value life and your outlook?

773
00:38:39,275 --> 00:38:39,535
Oh

774
00:38:39,955 --> 00:38:42,185
yeah, I nearly lost her twice.

775
00:38:42,185 --> 00:38:45,815
Yeah, the horse accident, you know,
and she was in hospital for a long

776
00:38:45,815 --> 00:38:48,085
time, and she's learned to walk again.

777
00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:53,050
She was crushed severely by the horse,
and then she comes home and then has

778
00:38:53,050 --> 00:38:58,420
a heart attack, and I need to lose her
again, you know, and it's just phenomenal.

779
00:38:58,420 --> 00:39:00,540
It's just the scariest thought.

780
00:39:00,690 --> 00:39:06,019
It's losing her, and, and I think what hit
me most was not the thought, oh, I'm going

781
00:39:06,019 --> 00:39:09,120
to be on my own or, you know, woe is me.

782
00:39:09,300 --> 00:39:12,540
It was, holy shit, she's
got so much life to live.

783
00:39:12,540 --> 00:39:15,570
That's, Lara's not like that,
you know, and she proved it.

784
00:39:15,570 --> 00:39:17,810
Anyways, you know, she's literally.

785
00:39:18,085 --> 00:39:20,085
Riding her horse right now outside

786
00:39:22,705 --> 00:39:24,005
and it's taken.

787
00:39:24,780 --> 00:39:29,340
You know, the accident was what, 2021 and
it's taken all this time for her to get

788
00:39:29,340 --> 00:39:33,120
back on the horse and she's back on there
and she's riding around our property,

789
00:39:33,170 --> 00:39:37,109
just walking, but she's back on the horse
and I couldn't be more proud of her, you

790
00:39:37,109 --> 00:39:44,039
know, like that shows me that, you know,
women, I've always said women are the

791
00:39:44,039 --> 00:39:48,530
strongest species in the world, you know,
they really are, they push our babies,

792
00:39:48,790 --> 00:39:52,919
men are just have a heart attack and die,
even that the thought of it, you know, it.

793
00:39:53,290 --> 00:39:57,460
And the pain barrier that you guys have,
I thought, you know, yeah, I know I need

794
00:39:57,460 --> 00:40:01,860
pain sometimes because I look and I just
go, wow, how do you, yeah, incredible.

795
00:40:02,365 --> 00:40:07,485
And tell me, what has being the Coffin
Confessor taught you about life?

796
00:40:08,205 --> 00:40:10,995
Yeah, not only to live, but prepare.

797
00:40:11,555 --> 00:40:16,265
I didn't realize that I wasn't
prepared for death, not my own

798
00:40:16,265 --> 00:40:17,724
death or the death of a loved one.

799
00:40:17,734 --> 00:40:20,974
Doesn't mean I'm not going to mourn
and get upset and probably break

800
00:40:20,975 --> 00:40:23,685
down, but I'm more prepared now.

801
00:40:23,925 --> 00:40:26,885
I'm prepared to know that
it is the inevitable.

802
00:40:27,075 --> 00:40:27,785
We are going.

803
00:40:28,165 --> 00:40:29,505
It doesn't matter what you do.

804
00:40:29,585 --> 00:40:30,245
We're going.

805
00:40:30,585 --> 00:40:31,585
Nothing's going to stop it.

806
00:40:32,110 --> 00:40:32,670
It's coming.

807
00:40:33,180 --> 00:40:35,724
Every person on the planet
has a skeleton in the closet.

808
00:40:36,295 --> 00:40:38,805
You know, whether you want to let
it out or not, you let it out.

809
00:40:38,995 --> 00:40:41,245
Whether you want to clean
your closet, that's up to you.

810
00:40:41,525 --> 00:40:42,695
I suggest people do.

811
00:40:42,965 --> 00:40:46,465
I think it'd be good in life to
get rid of all this shit in your

812
00:40:46,465 --> 00:40:47,944
life and the people as well.

813
00:40:47,955 --> 00:40:52,224
A lot of people have friends that are
not really friends, you know, and you

814
00:40:52,224 --> 00:40:53,925
don't need all that to tie you down.

815
00:40:53,935 --> 00:40:56,745
Just move on and start
something different and new.

816
00:40:57,055 --> 00:40:59,475
Even if it's going for a walk,
they haven't done for ages.

817
00:40:59,475 --> 00:41:00,105
You just do it.

818
00:41:00,315 --> 00:41:03,625
You know, for me, it's
preparation in knowing that.

819
00:41:04,475 --> 00:41:08,405
We're all going to die, and it's just part
of life, and once you accept that, and if

820
00:41:08,405 --> 00:41:09,985
it happens, you go, well, you know what?

821
00:41:10,475 --> 00:41:11,565
It was always going to happen.

822
00:41:12,205 --> 00:41:16,404
It's always going to happen, and it's a
reality, and I've learned that, and it's

823
00:41:16,404 --> 00:41:21,434
come to me now that, you know, as sad
as it's going to be, and emotional and

824
00:41:21,434 --> 00:41:26,734
everything else, it's part of life, you
know, and I believe the meaning of life

825
00:41:26,744 --> 00:41:29,325
is to avoid death for as long as you can.

826
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:34,660
And tell me, you have embarked at
one stage while you were on the farm

827
00:41:35,230 --> 00:41:39,889
into another side hustle that you
had about an accommodation business.

828
00:41:40,190 --> 00:41:42,470
Yeah, that didn't, that
came and went really quick.

829
00:41:42,549 --> 00:41:45,600
It was an amazing sort of idea.

830
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,789
I had this idea where people just
wanted to meet the coffin confessor,

831
00:41:48,790 --> 00:41:52,550
you know, and sit and talk and
read books and enjoy, you know, a

832
00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:54,300
beer or whatever over a campfire.

833
00:41:54,300 --> 00:41:57,890
And I thought, hey, that could be a
great idea, but I'll go one step further.

834
00:41:57,890 --> 00:41:58,620
Then I broke.

835
00:41:58,650 --> 00:42:03,310
Coffins onto the farm and I had coffin
camping and all the journalists wanted

836
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:07,270
to know about it and came in and stayed
and had a great time coming and staying.

837
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:11,639
And a few people came and stayed
and, but I did it at my place and I

838
00:42:11,650 --> 00:42:16,330
shouldn't have done it at my place
because every second car that went past

839
00:42:16,340 --> 00:42:20,220
stopped and tried to jump the fence
and take photos and videos and yelling

840
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,070
out coffin confessor, we love you.

841
00:42:22,070 --> 00:42:25,090
And in the middle of the night,
and it was just like, Oh my God.

842
00:42:25,190 --> 00:42:28,620
So it was one of those things
that came and went really quick.

843
00:42:29,020 --> 00:42:29,810
Great concept.

844
00:42:29,810 --> 00:42:30,520
Great idea.

845
00:42:30,810 --> 00:42:33,470
A guy come along and he
said, look, I love the idea.

846
00:42:33,470 --> 00:42:35,900
I have a property in the blue
mountains, so I want to do it out

847
00:42:35,900 --> 00:42:37,649
there and I've got caves and all this.

848
00:42:37,649 --> 00:42:38,539
And I said, yeah, cool.

849
00:42:38,790 --> 00:42:40,439
He says, I want to buy
the concept off you.

850
00:42:40,439 --> 00:42:41,420
I said, yeah, not a problem.

851
00:42:41,909 --> 00:42:42,900
Not a problem at all.

852
00:42:42,900 --> 00:42:43,630
You can have it.

853
00:42:44,140 --> 00:42:45,539
So yeah, that's where it went.

854
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:49,730
And I believe he's doing it and
it's cool, niche, different idea.

855
00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:51,240
But for me it wasn't.

856
00:42:51,430 --> 00:42:54,870
I shouldn't have done it at my place,
but hey, we all live and learn.

857
00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:55,740
Yep.

858
00:42:55,740 --> 00:42:58,559
You certainly learned
from that one now, Toby.

859
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,790
I've even like looked up on, on the
internet and there's coffinconfessor.

860
00:43:04,620 --> 00:43:05,120
com.

861
00:43:05,690 --> 00:43:06,920
Now that's not you.

862
00:43:07,020 --> 00:43:10,689
How many people are trying to
emanate you around the world?

863
00:43:11,180 --> 00:43:12,209
Probably thousands,

864
00:43:12,890 --> 00:43:15,799
but I also get thousands of
resumes from around the world.

865
00:43:15,799 --> 00:43:19,619
Most people that are trying to start
it up, they always come back to

866
00:43:19,619 --> 00:43:20,890
me and they go, look, I need help.

867
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:21,790
How can we do this?

868
00:43:21,790 --> 00:43:24,040
I'm not getting any clients
or they're not trusting me.

869
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,610
And I'm like, well, you know
what, if they're not trusting

870
00:43:26,610 --> 00:43:27,460
you, I can't trust you.

871
00:43:28,150 --> 00:43:29,090
So I don't know.

872
00:43:29,230 --> 00:43:31,420
It takes a certain type
of person to do it.

873
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:33,000
Not everyone can do it.

874
00:43:33,050 --> 00:43:36,230
It's a job that's, you know,
it's definitely not for the faint

875
00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:37,430
of heart or those that fear.

876
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,439
I mean, it's not easy just standing
up in the middle of a funeral and

877
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,590
saying, excuse me, my name's Bilode,
go sit down, shut up or fuck off.

878
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,150
I am the coffin confessor.

879
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,170
The man in the coffin's got something
to say and this is what it is.

880
00:43:48,570 --> 00:43:51,090
And then all of a sudden these
people go, you know, I can do that.

881
00:43:51,090 --> 00:43:51,620
I can say it.

882
00:43:51,630 --> 00:43:56,860
And we had a lady in New Zealand that come
and saw me and I couldn't take her job on.

883
00:43:57,250 --> 00:43:59,909
And she says, Oh, my nephew is going
to be the next coffin confessor

884
00:43:59,909 --> 00:44:01,409
then because he's going to do it.

885
00:44:02,100 --> 00:44:05,610
Two weeks later, I get the email of her
saying, Oh my, my nephew backed out.

886
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:06,360
He couldn't do it.

887
00:44:06,700 --> 00:44:07,380
And I said, yeah.

888
00:44:07,740 --> 00:44:09,250
I said, it's not, not for everyone.

889
00:44:09,300 --> 00:44:10,270
It's a unique job.

890
00:44:10,620 --> 00:44:11,080
It's different.

891
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:11,144
It's different.

892
00:44:11,635 --> 00:44:18,275
And from my understanding, you will
take on a job, you will substantiate

893
00:44:18,345 --> 00:44:24,364
the claims of that person, and
then it may be years before you

894
00:44:24,365 --> 00:44:25,715
have to stand up at their funeral.

895
00:44:26,145 --> 00:44:26,915
Oh, absolutely.

896
00:44:27,185 --> 00:44:27,894
Yeah, for sure.

897
00:44:28,285 --> 00:44:29,195
And that's the beauty of it.

898
00:44:29,224 --> 00:44:32,695
And I mean, people will pay a
deposit and it'll be held in a trust

899
00:44:32,695 --> 00:44:33,915
account and it'll just sit there.

900
00:44:34,215 --> 00:44:39,615
And I'll, you know, and I've even
had some people In 2019, who've

901
00:44:39,645 --> 00:44:42,775
come to me in 2023 and say, Oh,
look, I've had a change of heart.

902
00:44:42,825 --> 00:44:43,795
Yeah, not a problem.

903
00:44:43,855 --> 00:44:44,525
There's your refund.

904
00:44:45,250 --> 00:44:47,960
You know, live life, enjoy life
and do what you're going to do.

905
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,360
And they'll go, look, if I
think of something different,

906
00:44:50,370 --> 00:44:51,720
can I, yeah, of course.

907
00:44:51,810 --> 00:44:55,980
I mean, my job's descriptions changed
so much from crashing funerals to

908
00:44:55,980 --> 00:45:01,140
placing items in coffins to pin pricking
bodies to, you know, going all over

909
00:45:01,140 --> 00:45:05,280
the world, doing what I'm doing and now
doing the afterlife delivery service

910
00:45:05,310 --> 00:45:08,570
is just, you know, it's incredible,
unique and it's, it's humbling.

911
00:45:08,930 --> 00:45:11,980
Let's talk about the
Afterlife Delivery Service.

912
00:45:12,100 --> 00:45:12,460
Mmm.

913
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:13,050
What does that involve?

914
00:45:14,030 --> 00:45:18,230
So people have engaged me now to put
together either a basket of their

915
00:45:18,240 --> 00:45:23,210
choosing, certain items, and deliver it
either on a birthday, anniversary, or

916
00:45:23,279 --> 00:45:25,649
special occasion after the person's died.

917
00:45:26,110 --> 00:45:29,550
Two instances was a lady that had
passed seven months ago and wanted it

918
00:45:29,570 --> 00:45:33,800
delivered to her husband with a special
trip, which was a world trip that they'd

919
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,660
been saving on going, and they couldn't
go because she was terminally ill.

920
00:45:37,660 --> 00:45:37,780
Oh.

921
00:45:37,950 --> 00:45:41,880
But she saved enough money to buy
that trip for him, so he could now go.

922
00:45:42,170 --> 00:45:43,770
And it's beautiful, delivering that.

923
00:45:43,810 --> 00:45:46,760
Yeah, I get some requests that
you just think, Seriously?

924
00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:47,890
That's what you want delivered?

925
00:45:47,890 --> 00:45:50,480
Then, and this person wanted
a car delivered, right?

926
00:45:50,570 --> 00:45:54,009
To a person that, that,
you know, he really liked.

927
00:45:54,339 --> 00:45:56,269
And the person always admired his car.

928
00:45:56,830 --> 00:46:01,970
And this is only a recent event where the
person, You know, I'd knock on the door

929
00:46:01,970 --> 00:46:03,630
and I'd say, G'day Jamie, how are you?

930
00:46:03,700 --> 00:46:05,260
And I'm Bill the coffin confessor.

931
00:46:05,660 --> 00:46:08,390
Remember Ted, you used to
live next door to for 15 years

932
00:46:08,390 --> 00:46:09,970
and you admired his XB coop.

933
00:46:10,460 --> 00:46:10,820
Yeah.

934
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:16,610
Well, it's parked in your driveway mate,
it's yours, you know, so things like that.

935
00:46:16,850 --> 00:46:17,310
Yeah.

936
00:46:17,430 --> 00:46:18,040
Pretty cool.

937
00:46:18,790 --> 00:46:18,980
Oh.

938
00:46:18,980 --> 00:46:21,879
And, and being a car man yourself,

939
00:46:22,479 --> 00:46:23,119
that would have been

940
00:46:23,119 --> 00:46:23,419
great.

941
00:46:24,319 --> 00:46:24,779
Love doing it.

942
00:46:25,740 --> 00:46:25,870
Yeah.

943
00:46:26,300 --> 00:46:30,420
I mean, I, I, when you read out,
you know, car thief at the start, I

944
00:46:30,420 --> 00:46:32,660
was, you know, I sold my first car.

945
00:46:32,700 --> 00:46:34,330
I was 14.

946
00:46:34,610 --> 00:46:34,740
Yeah.

947
00:46:34,740 --> 00:46:36,470
I was 14 when I sold my first car.

948
00:46:36,470 --> 00:46:37,650
That's how I learned to drive.

949
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,580
It was a manual, you know, and I
stole it from a service station and

950
00:46:41,580 --> 00:46:44,490
I remember bunny hopping all the
way down surface paradise boulevard.

951
00:46:44,490 --> 00:46:51,020
I should have, you know, and I had
a love for cars and fast cars and.

952
00:46:51,555 --> 00:46:56,805
You know, I had a really, I
had hidden talents that were so

953
00:46:56,965 --> 00:46:59,805
bizarre and stupid and so wrong.

954
00:47:00,344 --> 00:47:04,115
And it was until later on in life
that I ended up working hard and

955
00:47:04,115 --> 00:47:05,725
saving and buying those cars.

956
00:47:05,725 --> 00:47:08,895
And even today I've got a nice
car, you know, it's just something

957
00:47:08,895 --> 00:47:10,464
I've always had and wanted.

958
00:47:10,464 --> 00:47:13,085
And if you want it bad enough
and yeah, you'll get it.

959
00:47:13,745 --> 00:47:17,895
Tell me, what is you perceive
to be the biggest misconception

960
00:47:17,895 --> 00:47:19,555
about the role of work you do?

961
00:47:20,025 --> 00:47:22,455
They forget that I'm only the messenger.

962
00:47:22,935 --> 00:47:25,604
I'm there on behalf of their
loved one laying in the coffin.

963
00:47:26,295 --> 00:47:27,935
It's not my story.

964
00:47:28,045 --> 00:47:28,934
It's theirs.

965
00:47:29,345 --> 00:47:32,075
Don't think I've just seen the funeral
and I'm just going to crash it.

966
00:47:32,425 --> 00:47:32,725
Right?

967
00:47:32,964 --> 00:47:34,624
I don't just rock up to anybody's funeral.

968
00:47:35,194 --> 00:47:37,204
I'm there on behalf of your loved one.

969
00:47:37,564 --> 00:47:38,694
It's their funeral.

970
00:47:39,234 --> 00:47:40,404
It's not my words.

971
00:47:40,474 --> 00:47:42,175
I read exactly what they've written.

972
00:47:42,935 --> 00:47:46,145
I place it back in the envelope,
put it on the coffin and I leave.

973
00:47:46,345 --> 00:47:49,435
I have no idea if, you know,
I don't know if it continues

974
00:47:49,435 --> 00:47:51,225
or not after the bombshells.

975
00:47:51,874 --> 00:47:55,025
And I really don't care because I've
done my job, I've fulfilled my job.

976
00:47:55,414 --> 00:47:59,374
My role as the coffin confessor
is there for my client only, first

977
00:47:59,374 --> 00:48:01,135
and foremost, but it's not me.

978
00:48:01,155 --> 00:48:02,195
I'm just the messenger.

979
00:48:02,205 --> 00:48:05,795
So a lot of people will think, Oh, why
would you put words in their mouth?

980
00:48:05,845 --> 00:48:08,084
I don't, I don't put words in their mouth.

981
00:48:08,085 --> 00:48:08,845
I just sit with them.

982
00:48:08,985 --> 00:48:09,825
I hear their story.

983
00:48:09,985 --> 00:48:11,065
I video their story.

984
00:48:11,545 --> 00:48:12,634
I have a contract with them.

985
00:48:12,990 --> 00:48:14,720
And then I release it at the funeral.

986
00:48:15,230 --> 00:48:19,670
And tell me, you briefly alluded to one
particular contract you had with a client.

987
00:48:20,630 --> 00:48:24,490
You mentioned the words
bin cushion earlier.

988
00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:25,270
Mmm.

989
00:48:25,380 --> 00:48:28,957
You probably should expand
on that one for our audience.

990
00:48:28,957 --> 00:48:29,381
Yeah,

991
00:48:29,381 --> 00:48:33,080
so, and it's not the first time either.

992
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:38,760
I mean, I, I had this, Yeah, everybody's
like has a fear of something, you know,

993
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:43,370
and people have claustrophobia, you
know, being in small tight places, you

994
00:48:43,370 --> 00:48:45,740
know, it's just something people hate.

995
00:48:46,099 --> 00:48:50,249
This first client, he was
petrified of being cremated alive.

996
00:48:50,380 --> 00:48:53,589
It's something that he dreamt
about, had nightmares about, always

997
00:48:53,589 --> 00:48:57,040
thought that he was going to be in
a glass coffin and he was laying

998
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:58,600
there and he could see the mourners.

999
00:48:59,050 --> 00:49:01,080
But at the time the
priest said, let us pray.

1000
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,430
So everybody had their heads
bowed when he's trying to move

1001
00:49:03,430 --> 00:49:04,980
and get the attention of everyone.

1002
00:49:05,270 --> 00:49:06,960
And that was one of his crazy dreams.

1003
00:49:07,475 --> 00:49:10,125
And he said, look, I need you to
come to the viewing and pinprick

1004
00:49:10,145 --> 00:49:11,885
my body to make sure I'm deceased.

1005
00:49:12,765 --> 00:49:15,785
And I said, are you sure that's
like, that's what you want?

1006
00:49:15,785 --> 00:49:16,825
He said, yeah, that's what I want.

1007
00:49:16,955 --> 00:49:17,945
I need you to do that.

1008
00:49:18,415 --> 00:49:20,655
And I did, I fulfilled the obligation.

1009
00:49:20,695 --> 00:49:22,365
I had to film it and everything else.

1010
00:49:22,375 --> 00:49:26,344
And I had to make sure that I'd get
a couple of minutes private viewing

1011
00:49:27,204 --> 00:49:29,745
because I wasn't going to just go
in and start pinpricking the body

1012
00:49:29,785 --> 00:49:31,125
in front of family and friends.

1013
00:49:31,575 --> 00:49:32,395
Probably wise.

1014
00:49:32,695 --> 00:49:33,085
Yeah.

1015
00:49:33,165 --> 00:49:34,405
But it's happened a couple of times now.

1016
00:49:34,405 --> 00:49:34,565
Yeah.

1017
00:49:34,565 --> 00:49:34,644
Yeah.

1018
00:49:35,105 --> 00:49:39,995
And has there been a request
that surprised you or, you know,

1019
00:49:40,195 --> 00:49:41,875
it's been quite unexpected?

1020
00:49:42,385 --> 00:49:47,865
Oh, you know, the most, the request
that really gets me and it's got, it

1021
00:49:47,885 --> 00:49:52,895
got me the first time ever was that to
be a suicide note when the lady, you

1022
00:49:52,895 --> 00:49:55,865
know, and you do everything you can to
talk to them and ask them to get help

1023
00:49:55,885 --> 00:49:58,135
and you advise and you offer them help.

1024
00:49:58,135 --> 00:49:58,955
It didn't matter.

1025
00:49:58,965 --> 00:50:00,375
She was going to do what
she was going to do.

1026
00:50:00,375 --> 00:50:05,465
And she did do what she did, you know,
but she wanted me to be her suicide note.

1027
00:50:06,030 --> 00:50:07,390
living suicide note.

1028
00:50:07,390 --> 00:50:10,950
And I found that a little
confronting at first.

1029
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:12,680
And then I thought, I don't
know if I could do that.

1030
00:50:12,690 --> 00:50:14,570
And then I thought, well,
I am the coffin confessor.

1031
00:50:14,570 --> 00:50:15,410
That's what I did.

1032
00:50:16,159 --> 00:50:16,419
Yeah.

1033
00:50:16,659 --> 00:50:17,550
It's exactly what I do.

1034
00:50:17,550 --> 00:50:21,149
I'm just confessing someone's secret,
you know, and that's what she wants.

1035
00:50:21,279 --> 00:50:22,000
That's what she got.

1036
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,790
But it was, yeah, it was
confronting at the start.

1037
00:50:25,270 --> 00:50:29,829
And how was it received by the loved
ones that you gave the message to?

1038
00:50:30,309 --> 00:50:31,079
They were pricks.

1039
00:50:31,079 --> 00:50:32,749
The family were absolute pricks.

1040
00:50:33,210 --> 00:50:35,269
I couldn't believe she
had a family like that.

1041
00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:39,945
Like, you know, Her brother yells out, oh,
she should have done it a long time ago.

1042
00:50:40,075 --> 00:50:44,375
And her father was more devastated
about his wife death 10 years earlier

1043
00:50:44,385 --> 00:50:46,585
and said that he didn't even care.

1044
00:50:46,975 --> 00:50:50,384
You know, it's just like, fuck, you
know, this lady had taken her own

1045
00:50:50,384 --> 00:50:53,685
life because of issues that she had.

1046
00:50:54,125 --> 00:50:59,355
And I could see the main issue she
had was family, you know, so I sort

1047
00:50:59,355 --> 00:51:02,705
of could understand a little of
why she, she went the way she did.

1048
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:06,880
And how, especially in those
circumstances that are quite

1049
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:13,809
confronting, how do you, I suppose,
function and does it impact your life?

1050
00:51:13,810 --> 00:51:17,840
Like how do you do self care
so you don't bring it home?

1051
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:20,119
I don't think I do anymore.

1052
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:21,450
I don't hold onto anything.

1053
00:51:21,810 --> 00:51:24,490
And like I say, all the trauma
I've been through has probably

1054
00:51:24,490 --> 00:51:26,810
made me able to do what I do.

1055
00:51:27,060 --> 00:51:29,320
You know, all the abuse I
suffered and everything else.

1056
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,249
And I don't hold onto any of that.

1057
00:51:31,249 --> 00:51:31,519
So.

1058
00:51:32,220 --> 00:51:34,350
Therefore, I don't hold
on to anybody else's.

1059
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:36,620
I just go in, do the job and I walk away.

1060
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:41,810
Sometimes I might, you know, sit
by myself or be somewhere and

1061
00:51:41,810 --> 00:51:45,950
I'll just have a little reflection
or think about those people.

1062
00:51:46,230 --> 00:51:49,469
Or when, you know, I'm interviewed
like this and I'm thinking of

1063
00:51:49,470 --> 00:51:50,800
the lady now who took a life.

1064
00:51:50,839 --> 00:51:54,970
And I think to myself, what
was saddest for me is that.

1065
00:51:55,560 --> 00:52:00,040
Her family, you know,
it's just a terrible part.

1066
00:52:00,110 --> 00:52:04,170
And I think to myself, I'm so glad
that I've got a family that Lara

1067
00:52:04,170 --> 00:52:07,030
and I have created that we're so
close that that would never happen.

1068
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:08,390
And we won't allow that to happen.

1069
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,159
You know, we communicate,
we love each other dearly.

1070
00:52:11,210 --> 00:52:13,879
And that's a big problem with
a lot of families these days.

1071
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:14,850
They don't communicate.

1072
00:52:14,850 --> 00:52:18,720
We see that with a lot of couples, you
know, you see a lot of couples that

1073
00:52:18,730 --> 00:52:22,800
they go, Oh yeah, we talk all the time,
but we haven't had sex in 12 months.

1074
00:52:23,620 --> 00:52:25,770
Obviously you don't talk, you know?

1075
00:52:26,059 --> 00:52:26,259
So.

1076
00:52:26,875 --> 00:52:29,235
Yeah, it's, it's just one
of those things, yeah.

1077
00:52:29,295 --> 00:52:32,325
So I reflect on those things,
but a very, very short moment.

1078
00:52:32,395 --> 00:52:33,785
I don't let them live within my head.

1079
00:52:34,645 --> 00:52:36,505
And have you done anything to
prepare for your own death?

1080
00:52:37,074 --> 00:52:37,684
Yes.

1081
00:52:38,155 --> 00:52:40,254
Yeah, so I'm not having a funeral.

1082
00:52:40,375 --> 00:52:44,324
I'm just having a cremation, thrown
in the ocean, bottle of port, followed

1083
00:52:44,324 --> 00:52:47,155
by bottle of port, and the family
does what they're going to do.

1084
00:52:47,685 --> 00:52:50,615
Which is probably not grieve as
much because I wrote about it in the

1085
00:52:50,615 --> 00:52:55,655
second book about how they, they came
after they played a prank on me about

1086
00:52:55,655 --> 00:52:57,135
being dead, which was really cool.

1087
00:52:57,145 --> 00:53:01,665
I enjoyed it actually, after I got over
the initial, what the fuck's going on?

1088
00:53:02,115 --> 00:53:09,574
But yeah, I'm, I'm looking at
doing something special and yeah,

1089
00:53:10,094 --> 00:53:14,325
I don't know yet, I don't know, I'm
exploring holograms, which is really

1090
00:53:14,325 --> 00:53:16,975
cool, but the problem with that is.

1091
00:53:17,935 --> 00:53:21,315
And this is something I sort of,
I didn't really think about at the

1092
00:53:21,325 --> 00:53:24,715
time, but now I'm thinking after
the coffin camping idea, with a

1093
00:53:24,725 --> 00:53:25,995
hologram, you're there forever.

1094
00:53:26,465 --> 00:53:30,825
And so you don't change, but the people
around you always change, but you

1095
00:53:30,825 --> 00:53:32,395
don't, you're always there the same.

1096
00:53:32,754 --> 00:53:33,615
Is that what you want?

1097
00:53:33,634 --> 00:53:34,764
Is that what you want to leave?

1098
00:53:34,794 --> 00:53:38,095
And then I think, well, you
know, if I was to die today,

1099
00:53:38,205 --> 00:53:39,795
the family can Google me anyway.

1100
00:53:40,105 --> 00:53:40,395
Yeah.

1101
00:53:40,395 --> 00:53:41,545
I'm always there.

1102
00:53:41,585 --> 00:53:43,295
So I'm always speaking or doing something.

1103
00:53:43,295 --> 00:53:46,977
So, and again, I don't change, I'm
always there, you know, so I don't know.

1104
00:53:46,977 --> 00:53:47,202
Yeah.

1105
00:53:47,202 --> 00:53:47,428
Yeah.

1106
00:53:47,428 --> 00:53:48,625
But I'm looking, you do it.

1107
00:53:49,580 --> 00:53:53,260
You and Abba, left as
holograms for eternity.

1108
00:53:53,780 --> 00:53:54,360
Imagine that.

1109
00:53:54,810 --> 00:53:55,270
I don't know.

1110
00:53:55,790 --> 00:53:56,810
It's an idea, but.

1111
00:53:56,980 --> 00:53:58,200
Do you have a will?

1112
00:53:58,230 --> 00:54:00,130
Do you have an advanced care directive?

1113
00:54:00,430 --> 00:54:02,339
Have you had these conversations?

1114
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:04,679
I have had the conversations.

1115
00:54:04,850 --> 00:54:08,720
I have a trust and this is something
I try to tell a lot of people to do.

1116
00:54:08,740 --> 00:54:10,160
You've got to have a family trust.

1117
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:15,010
Everything's in the family trust and
that way it eliminates a lot of bullshit.

1118
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:16,880
It's a family trust.

1119
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:18,060
Everything goes to the family.

1120
00:54:18,460 --> 00:54:20,460
There's no, no, no worries there.

1121
00:54:20,590 --> 00:54:23,190
You know, that's how I've
always done it that way.

1122
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:26,630
I hate the idea of
people contesting wills.

1123
00:54:26,820 --> 00:54:31,370
It happens so often and I've investigated
a lot of these claims and I've sat

1124
00:54:31,370 --> 00:54:34,669
with people that contest them and I
can understand they're contesting it

1125
00:54:34,670 --> 00:54:38,710
because, you know, someone else is getting
more, no one gets more than a lawyer.

1126
00:54:39,700 --> 00:54:40,670
Okay, no one.

1127
00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:44,820
So, and I hate the blood sucking
parasitic lawyers, I really do.

1128
00:54:45,430 --> 00:54:49,150
But they do, they make a lot of
money out of, you know, bills and

1129
00:54:49,150 --> 00:54:53,270
estates, and it's something that also
I believe needs to be overhauled.

1130
00:54:53,279 --> 00:54:55,490
I don't like the system, how it works.

1131
00:54:55,930 --> 00:55:00,099
I find it a betrayal of those
that have gone, especially when

1132
00:55:00,099 --> 00:55:01,489
they've insisted on what they want.

1133
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,310
And when it's not done,
that's a huge betrayal.

1134
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,890
So I really hope there's a fucking
afterlife and it comes back on all these

1135
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,070
people that have done the dirty on them.

1136
00:55:11,390 --> 00:55:12,020
I really do.

1137
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:16,719
Given all your experience and what
you've seen about humanity, what

1138
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:21,659
advice do you give to people about
their unresolved issues or secrets?

1139
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:23,070
Oh, give me a call.

1140
00:55:23,450 --> 00:55:24,290
I'd be inundated.

1141
00:55:25,190 --> 00:55:26,070
No, you know what?

1142
00:55:26,140 --> 00:55:29,310
It's like I said before, it's
a skeleton in the closet.

1143
00:55:29,350 --> 00:55:34,180
It's an issue they have either resolve it
now or take it to the grave or let it out.

1144
00:55:34,230 --> 00:55:36,240
You know, it's truly up to them.

1145
00:55:36,639 --> 00:55:40,460
Me personally, I like to
resolve any issues I've got.

1146
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:44,490
I do that because I'm capable and able
to, but I understand there's a lot of

1147
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:46,510
people that aren't and can't do that.

1148
00:55:46,950 --> 00:55:49,300
But that's unfortunate, but that's where.

1149
00:55:50,505 --> 00:55:56,145
I guess the coffin confessor concept and
idea is, you know, born and sprung to

1150
00:55:56,145 --> 00:55:59,795
life because I didn't realize it was so
many people that, you know, and it's not

1151
00:55:59,955 --> 00:56:04,674
because also a lot of people are fearful
of opening up those cans of worms, but a

1152
00:56:04,675 --> 00:56:07,815
lot of people on their deathbed, they're
not visited by the people that hurt them.

1153
00:56:08,435 --> 00:56:11,445
They're not visited by the people
that, you know, just love them.

1154
00:56:11,605 --> 00:56:13,815
They're visited by the
people that truly love them.

1155
00:56:14,315 --> 00:56:16,875
So they don't see those
people on their deathbed.

1156
00:56:17,395 --> 00:56:20,465
You know, so, you know, I can
understand sometimes they're like,

1157
00:56:20,945 --> 00:56:26,345
Hey, listen, you know, I want to
leave a message of love or hate or

1158
00:56:26,354 --> 00:56:28,844
disrespect or concern or whatever it is.

1159
00:56:29,224 --> 00:56:30,035
That's up to them.

1160
00:56:30,035 --> 00:56:30,835
That's fine.

1161
00:56:31,095 --> 00:56:34,964
As long as I get to investigate their
claims first and I know that, you know,

1162
00:56:35,275 --> 00:56:40,055
that it's true and, and I'm not going
to destroy a family through bullshit.

1163
00:56:40,945 --> 00:56:42,965
I'm going to make sure I'm
a hundred percent accurate.

1164
00:56:42,965 --> 00:56:47,725
And that's why I don't take every
job on, you know, I just can't.

1165
00:56:48,345 --> 00:56:53,515
And that leads me to my last question for
you Bill, because there is only one Bill

1166
00:56:53,535 --> 00:57:00,135
Edgar who has been formed by your past,
what is the future of Coffin Confessor?

1167
00:57:00,595 --> 00:57:01,835
Yeah, I had a big issue.

1168
00:57:01,885 --> 00:57:05,624
I've had thousands of people reach
out to me, but I've had a number of

1169
00:57:05,625 --> 00:57:09,925
people in the United States, England,
all over the world, wanting me to

1170
00:57:09,935 --> 00:57:11,825
franchise and do certain things with it.

1171
00:57:12,335 --> 00:57:18,625
My issue, and it comes back to my morals
and integrity, is that it is so easy.

1172
00:57:19,270 --> 00:57:24,340
to take advantage of the dying and the
deceased because you get paid up front

1173
00:57:24,830 --> 00:57:31,329
and nobody knows except you and them so
how do they know or you know the job's

1174
00:57:31,330 --> 00:57:39,400
being done so that's an issue I have
It's possible it will die with me, or

1175
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:44,450
I might create a system that's a little
bit harder for those to manipulate it.

1176
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:49,020
And I just haven't got that yet, so that's
why I haven't allowed it to spawn and go

1177
00:57:49,049 --> 00:57:50,719
into a big business all over the world.

1178
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:55,649
I'll keep doing it by myself, and I'll
hold the integrity and the truth and

1179
00:57:55,649 --> 00:57:58,679
everything with it for as long as I can.

1180
00:57:59,299 --> 00:58:02,210
Because like I say, it's just
too easy, too easy to manipulate.

1181
00:58:02,825 --> 00:58:06,725
Well, I look forward to seeing how
that develops still, and I can't

1182
00:58:06,745 --> 00:58:08,355
thank you enough for your time today.

1183
00:58:09,085 --> 00:58:11,105
No, thank you for having
me, and it's been great.

1184
00:58:11,235 --> 00:58:11,965
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1185
00:58:14,894 --> 00:58:18,315
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