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Welcome to Don't Be Caught Dead, a podcast encouraging open conversations about

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dying and the death of a loved one.

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I'm your host, Catherine Ashton, founder of Critical Info, and I'm helping to

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bring your stories of death back to life.

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Because while you may not be ready to die, at least you can be prepared.

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Don't Be Caught Dead acknowledges the lands of the Kulin Nations and recognises

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their connection to land, sea and community.

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We pay our respects to their Elders, past, present and emerging,

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and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander and First

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Nation peoples around the globe.

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Today I'm speaking with Luke Roberts of Mornington Green.

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He was a lawyer in his previous life and he did a Masters, he studied overseas.

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he's from the peninsula and i'm

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story because i actually did more in about a

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week and a half ago and i'm absolutely fascinated with

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the work that you're doing so i won't

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own story thank you so much for

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being with us luke uh thank you catherine it's great

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to you know have this opportunity to chat with you you

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know I've seen what you're doing I think it's really fantastic like

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you said I lived in a whole nother world before this but since getting into

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this world it really is a tremendous privilege to be able to play a role in

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such a pivotal human experience and you know death in my view creates the value

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of life you know it's such an important Without death,

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nothing else has meaning, you know, it really does give meaning to life.

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people implode or to facilitate expansion, if you will.

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step up and take advantage of this life left behind and to honor the memory

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and the impact that that person's had on their lives by living properly,

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you know, and with vitality.

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But one of those things that we see time and time again on the implosion side

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is when people don't make arrangements.

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to stop procrastinating and definitely put these things down,

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put their wishes down on paper,

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get it known, be known, because it's so easy to just keep kicking the stone

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down the track, keep kicking it down. But at any point, you're too late.

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At any point, you could be too late and then you've missed out on the opportunity.

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left behind from having to deal with admin and the financial and the emotional

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burden, having to consider everybody else's opinion.

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just throw me in the bin. Who cares?

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You know, but it's so important that for us that we honor those people's lives

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and we want to do it in the perfect way because they had such a big impact on us, you know.

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is going to happen for every one of us and you can

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do it well you know you can do it in a way that doesn't

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screw everybody up so anyway my story yeah I was a lawyer I enjoyed it it was

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a you know good career path it was what I always sort of wanted to do well what

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know you get to that point where he sort of ticked off most of the things i'm not very happy this is.

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my first son and i was

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very aware of the environmental damage

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that we as humans were doing and wanting to make

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a change but you gotta walk the walk right you want

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the world and then sit back and pretend as

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if it's not happening no you got to do something about so i was looking around

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like sort of sustainable energy jobs things like

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and always had very out-of-box ideas he'd been

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need to be in nature when they're dealing with grief nature is

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it and unfortunately you know for him it actually the aha moment came through

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tragedy you know one of his best friends who is a beautiful woman young girl

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she died tragically and very unexpectedly and he had i think the same experience

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that you would find a lot of young men where he's like, oh,

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yeah, it happened and kind of didn't have a, well, as far as he's concerned

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royal melbourne botanical gardens because he worked like just across

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the road and he noticed pretty

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quickly that he just felt good in the gardens and he's feeling better

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grief and to process it so it luckily he'd spent so much time there that he

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got to know Tim Entelweiss that runs the Royal Melbourne Botanical Gardens.

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ashes. And he said, look, great idea, but it's not going to work.

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Everything's going to die because of, you know, the problems with the ash profile.

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pathology and deal with the problems with the ash so it can become a neutral

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or positive impact on the trees rather than being a problem.

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time when I was looking and I said hey you know what this seems like a real

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thing I'm going to come and join you so that was about seven years ago.

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sure but um yeah i was there

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then okay well i mean and you would have probably seen warren a few times walking

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around the gardens like a weirdo i know you know pretty similar and like we're

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very different a lot of ways but we both like to be barefoot so i guarantee

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you'd have been barefoot walking around the gardens oh that's amazing So,

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yeah, I probably would have seen him.

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what you were going to do when Warren had this idea?

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in-house legal role for a while and I was just looking for a change.

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this seems like the right time in my life to take a real punt and do something

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that I think I can give everything to that's going to give me that.

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Something I'm passionate about, right?

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of learning and a lot of difficulties, but, you know, and I find pride a difficult emotion to have.

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spending time together with the kids, I just know that, you know,

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we've actually managed to do something really important And I do feel moments

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of pride with that. It's fantastic, you know.

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for people in such a raw and vulnerable time of need, it's so beautiful.

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every spring got a little echidna that lives here

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under the place we got swans that call this place home

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and we've just got another two beehives put in

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here as well so it's you know all a part of the story but it's

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great you know we extract honey every once in a while and just give it to the

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clients as a nice little thank you it's fantastic i love it and tell me luke

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for someone who's unfamiliar with what mornington green is and what your point

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of difference is perhaps you can explain what makes mornington green unique as a.

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Is it a resting place yeah it's a it's a final resting

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place you know i was thinking about it the other day i was talking to somebody and

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look i'm not religious you know not an atheist

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what it is it's a final resting place that

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for families it's not a full stop you know

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a lot of really sad stories and one

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unlike having the ashes in an urn or

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in a cemetery or in a you know burial plot it's a full stop that's just done

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and that's there this is a growing tree and you can come through the seasons

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you see it grow and you can see it have a difficult time you can see it then

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flowering and becoming robust it's a big difference and it gives family a ongoing connection,

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is when you come in here and I'm guessing you would have noticed I'll just ask

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you did it feel like a cemetery when you came through the gates? No.

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You know, on a very practical level, it is a final rest in place. We take cremated ashes.

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roots would evade it and the trees would very likely die.

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shifts the composition of the ash so that that harmful profile is

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mitigated and all of the beautiful trace elements that

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phosphorus they will all actually feed into the.

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your loved ones you know from those remains which i think not a

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full stop it's a continuation of a cycle so you

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know to give a comparison you would say look this is a

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forest version of a cemetery where families

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don't go to a grave plot and a tombstone they

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go to a tree a family tree that can be shared amongst family

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for generations where they're all part of the same

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tree and the feeling and experience is the

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differentiator the feeling when you come in you're not hit by

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you're embraced by this beautiful feeling

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of forest and garden and nature and growth

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and what we hear from clients is it doesn't remind them of

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the end it reminds them of the life that

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they shared and they get to you know

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have that very significant difference you know and it's

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a place that people are happy to bring their kids to you know

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often people say i don't bring my kids to pop's

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grave sucks i don't want them to come they don't

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have a good time and it's sad and it's kind of scary this

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is a place where kids love to come to and when you know i'll tell

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you some stories but you know one of the saddest ones but

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also beautiful was a mom with her daughter she said well so mom am i still going.

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To be able to hug you once you're gone and say yeah you can hug the tree you

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know and the picture of somebody hugging a tree that's living and growing versus

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of the picture of a child hugging a tombstone, they're very different.

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And they're different because they have a different feeling and a different energy.

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So the fundamental difference is having a place where memories continue.

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I think often if you choose to be scattered or if your ashes are in an urn and

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even if you're in a cemetery, if the family isn't likely to enjoy that experience,

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you're likely to be forgotten.

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love to visit we ensure that memory continues

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you know that that memory of life and people sit there and laugh

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and tell jokes and enjoy each other's company on a nice sunny day and it's i

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think that's crucial i think continuing the family story and having a place

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where we can embrace the richness of our family and the beautiful lives that

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we shared and the memories, I think it's really crucial.

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So, that's the fundamental difference. It's a place that resonates with everybody.

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And, you know, nature is a grand unifying part of us. You know,

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we are all part of nature and everybody feels comfortable in nature.

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So, yeah, that's it in a nutshell. And tell me, Luke, what sort of numbers,

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we know statistically that maybe only half the population have even written a will.

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It's actually a little bit less than half.

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So, how many people are actually motivated by the choice of being able to choose

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a tree that they're coming to you to pre-plan their funeral? Yeah.

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So, look, one of our goals is to shift that, right? Because we know,

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as you said, most people are not planning ahead, right?

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are just scared to talk about it or face their mortality.

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bigger factor is the options just don't sound

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attractive you know and i think when you go okay so what am i going to go do

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pick a casket pick the handles on the casket pick a nice urn somewhere you know

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they're just very unattractive options that don't seem like something you want

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to do you go whatever i don't care if that's the options i don't care just leave

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it you can decide but if you've got an option they go oh yeah,

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I love the idea. I grew up and we had a jacaranda in our house.

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Yes, I want to go find a tree.

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It's a nice experience and it's something that we know that we've got about

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75% to 80% of our clients are pre-planning, the vast majority of them.

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And they know, and we see it all the time, they'll come out regularly.

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That's a huge figure. Yeah, it's huge.

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And it's unexpected. But for them, they know that they have a tree.

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They'll come out regularly and they'll bring their kids. and what

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it means is that they've got positive living memories

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in this space so when the time does come it's going

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to be one of the worst days of that kid's life of

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your children's life when you do die they're coming

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into a place that is warm that they have nice positive

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memories it's not this alien place that you only

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ever visit on a horrible day it's a place that's really

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lovely and it's nurturing and comfortable that is

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such a big gift to give to people so for us i

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think when people do hear about us and they

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start to understand this process of oh no you're not picking a castle you're

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going for a walk around these gardens finding a tree that really speaks to you

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it's quite a lovely experience it's a nice way to spend your day you know even

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if you don't get a tree it's a pretty nice way to spend your day walking around

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the gardens having a coffee and enjoying you know watching flowering trees it's

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not the worst thing in the world so,

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i think we are able to have an impact there which i think is really important

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so if we can try to shift that needle and get more people pre-planning and getting their ducks in a line.

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I think that would be a fantastic result i think we're going to

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find that that will hold families together and

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bind them together at the most fundamental time of need

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you know i think in having the ability to

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just be with each other emotionally and hold that space is

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so important trying to deal with contracts and

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what are the different options and you know and going to different

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providers and then trying to get auntie and uncle to

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agree not conducive to that

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healing process and being together so yeah we're doing

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something right and i think the more that we

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can make this process attractive the more

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we're going to find that people actually are bold enough to take those steps

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and that big act of love of planning ahead

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i mean you're doing a similar thing right with the 10-15 right

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the point is is it you've got to make it

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something that people go okay i don't need

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to put it on a back burner anymore it's easy enough right

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and so for you it's more of

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a hey stop ignoring us it's 15 minutes you can do it

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i promise you 15 minutes is doable it's not a five hour session with your lawyer

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you can just knock this out really quickly and bit by bit we'll get through

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it for us it's like hey this doesn't have to be a horrible morose sad thing

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you can be actually have a really lovely day and find a tree and it's actually.

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In the end way cheaper than the old process and

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i think we're finding in this industry people have

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really moved away from full services and

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one it's partially because of religious reasons

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you know there's far less you know religious people out there but then the other

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thing is i don't think it's the money problem people don't mind spending money

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on something so important but that needs to rest you don't want to spend ten

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thousand fifteen thousand dollars which is the you know it's typically about

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five thousand dollars excluding a final resting place And then you add that on,

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it's another six to 12 grand for, you know, pretty standard options.

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People don't want to spend that for an experience that doesn't resonate,

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that doesn't make them feel connected, that the family doesn't hold on to,

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doesn't help them with the grief.

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We're getting there bit by bit and we just need more people to know about us,

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you know, whether it's right for them or not, that's up to them.

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But just to know. And tell me, Luke, this is where I find it quite different

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is the fact that you're not having people plant a tree in memoriam.

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landscape that has been designed by a landscape architect.

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And I believe it was Andrea Popter who was involved. Yeah, yeah.

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And so to actually walk into the landscape, it feels like it's been planted with purpose.

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and starting to show signs of, you know, changes of the seasons and flowerings.

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And that's what I find really interesting is

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that you can choose something that is living I

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suppose I can see why people want to connect to

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that yeah and it's and I mean look I think you've hit

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the nail on that we haven't skimped on any point

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of the process you know as you said the trees are

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all planted in groves Andrea's you

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Planting the aim is so you know instead of

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was in summer so you've got a jacaranda tree for it

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because it's beautiful purple flowers it's a beautiful experience

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to go see her tree as all these purple flowers are

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but the way they're planted and grows we've got

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like 56 or something like that jacarandas

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all together so you're not just visiting mum's tree

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in full flower you're visiting the tree amongst a full

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forest of them all in flower and they're

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planted when i say the planted that forest so that when they

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mature the canopies will touch and so you're going

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to have this massive canopies purple flowers

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and like i genuinely think the impact

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of that to open up your heart like we were talking about.

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Before what a beautiful experience right to

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come on a sad day to go visit mum's tree and

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then just be overwhelmed with this opulent beauty what

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a reminder of the gift it is to be alive so you

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know and everything has been placed and designed

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with a lot of purpose you know we've done obviously soil

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testing samples to make sure she knows exactly the drainage types

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of different parts of the land sun exposure wind

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think it is helpful for people to come out and know

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that the tree they're picking is something that is already doing

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well you know the first three years of trees are tough and

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generally it's a sliding scale as you would know right the

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highest risk is here and it drops down like this and then plateaus so you know

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years now so they're kind of past that point of great concern and people can.

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a thousand years, which is pretty cool.

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And I'm going to come back and ask you about the different types of trees people can choose from.

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where either a tree falls or I'm assuming there's a process that you have in place about that?

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Yeah, look, it's a very, very clear question to ask. We've just had that,

391
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right? We've just had a week of ridiculous winds.

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I mean, they must have been record winds. I can't remember ever

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having so many days crazy win like that

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and we did lose two trees in it when

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i say lose damage enough that you say listen i

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think we're better off to replace now there's one

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of the trees has had you know

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ashes memorialized in it and the other one did not so the

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one without the ashes is pretty simple we replace the

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tree we just inform the client we say look here's the photos of

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the damage we've replaced the tree and it's for

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free we replace them for free we don't charge for the replacement of

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trees when it's got ashes we

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will always inform the client before we do anything so

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we let them know of the damage we will let them know of

406
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the course that we're going to take and why if there's options

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we will give options to the client and say look you know

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sometimes you'll have a damage that we think

409
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the tree can get over you know and so they will cut

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back and say listen you might lose a leader say for

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example but there's a strong chance that you're going to get a new leader

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and we'll say look if you want to we can continue on

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with this tree or remove the tree and if

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we do remove the tree as long as the tree hasn't died from disease right

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if it's disease we have to remove it but as long as it hasn't died from disease

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we'll mulch that tree and use the mulch for the new tree that goes in so we

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still have that energy staying within the system within that tree within the

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area and i mean on that point it takes generally about seven years for a set

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of ashes to be holistically absorbed by a tree's roots.

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So you have quite a period there where if you put in a new tree,

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they're still going to be absorbing the roots.

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But it still seems to be, even though, because we all know, well,

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I'm certainly aware of...

424
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You know, arboricultural issues with trees as they age, etc.

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But it sounds like the process that you have in place is that it's still part

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of that system of returning back to nature and providing new life for new trees,

427
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new plants, even as mulch to actually enter that whole circular ecosystem.

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A hundred percent. Yeah, a hundred percent. I mean, you know,

429
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we're pretty fixated on a few things.

430
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You know, one of them is that cycle of life and ensuring that that

431
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memory is honored within the space and you know

432
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acting with integrity and ensuring that you know legacies

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do live on and that connection lives on yeah we're

434
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pretty paranoid and persistent about a few things but that's

435
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one of them and tell me luke what are the varieties

436
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or the species that people can choose well you've got a lot let me see if i

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can rattle them off in my head uh we've got you know golden wattles it's okay

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i don't know those so i can't test you yeah yeah i might miss some so see I'll

439
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start off in a, well, I think it's a bit of an order. We've got golden wattle.

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We've got red buds, you know, the Judas trees.

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Don't ask me the botanical names. I'll mess it up.

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They're quite cool, the red buds. Pink crepe myrtles, purple crepe myrtles, white crepe myrtles.

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We've got cherry blossoms, flowering apples, snow pears, ginkos.

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Then we've got carimbia fissifolias, the red flowering gums.

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We've got pink flowering yellow gums.

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You know, the sort of classic white flowering magnolias, but then we've also

447
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got the tulip magnolias with the purple flowers.

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We've got jacarandas, illawarra flame trees, oak trees, trident maples, liquid ambers.

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I think we've run the gambit now and Queensland cowries.

450
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That is such a variety. And when I'm hearing you reel it off,

451
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I'm thinking, there are a lot of trees. How much space do you have, Luke?

452
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It's a lot of trees. Well, look, we have about 34 acres. So we've got plenty of space.

453
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We've got probably another 20 years of space left here.

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Yeah, it's a beautiful, beautiful property. I mean, being in the next golf course,

455
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you said when you came in, it felt like a golf course.

456
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It did used to be a nine-hole golf course, which is just a great platform to

457
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work because it had good drainage, had irrigation throughout, obviously.

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One of the negatives was all the npk fertilizer

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and herbicides and pesticides that golf

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courses generally use but you know as a failing golf

461
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course they weren't spending that much money on those products so luckily we

462
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didn't have that much rehab to do but we you know we use all organic fertilizers

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so it's all biological and we've

464
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dumped tons and tons and tons of this property It's really cool to see.

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When we first got here, you dig up the grass and the roots would just be this deep.

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And now you dig up the grass and the roots are like four or five times as deep.

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It's fantastic. It's really good.

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There's worms and fungus everywhere. It's really, really positive to see the

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impact on the soil conditions.

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It is amazing the difference that it makes and how it does regenerate when you

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give it the opportunity to.

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So that's amazing to see that you're seeing those turnarounds. and

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tell me I had a look when I was out there and

474
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saw your secret blue liquid

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that Warren worked on tell me a

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little bit about the process of how you place

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the ashes in beside the trees yeah

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yeah no it's a good one to talk about you know we've been doing

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so much and some things we've just never shifted and

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I'll be frank the wording we use is actually bad

481
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say we infuse ashes into a tree it sounds like we have

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some scientific process where we inject it into the

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edge of the tree or something and it's not like that at all you know all the

484
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science has been done with that painted formula on the day it's actually quite

485
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a beautiful ritual it's nice to be able to invite families to take part i think

486
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often in a traditional funeral you're kind of spectators watching a funeral

487
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director and a celebrant,

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do the funeral for you. And I think this is a really great opportunity to get

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people in, literally get their hands dirty.

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So, you know, the process is, is the day beforehand, our landscaping team digs out a chamber.

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It goes pretty deep, about one and a half metres deep underneath the root ball of the tree.

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So we'll have the white chairs and a table at the set up and there's flowers.

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It's quite lovely. It looks almost like a little wedding, to be honest, for the ceremony.

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But we'll have... Yeah, it's really beautiful. It's quite pretty. It's nice.

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We have paramagnetic soil, which is a mineral compound that buffers the alkalinity of the ash.

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And then we have the blue liquid and some watering can.

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And the soil, that's a beautiful soil, it's been taken from the hole in a tub next door.

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And essentially the family assists in pouring the ash and the paramagnetic soil

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into that chamber that's been pre-dug.

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So they pour that in together and it mixes together while they pour.

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And then the soil is put back into the hole.

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Bluewood is also then poured into the hole as well.

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And during this process, Louise, she's so thoughtful, she puts so much care into every family.

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She actually invites family to write notes.

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We've got very thin biodegradable paper, so they can write a note to that loved one.

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It's a final opportunity to say something. So whether it's.

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I'm so sorry I missed saying this to you, and it's a final opportunity to say

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that, and they place that into the hole, and then the soil goes back in,

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and then actually the grass cut out of the top in a little circle gets put back

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on the very top of the sod,

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and in a couple of weeks you can't tell that anybody's been there. And that's it.

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It's super organic. That's so beautiful. Yeah, and the kids,

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we often have the kids shoveling the soil back in there and getting their hands

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dirty, And it's really a beautiful thing to see.

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And I think having that ability to hands-on offer something to that person that

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you love so much, I think it's a really loved opportunity from family to do

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something themselves, not just rely on a few characters and celebrants.

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They do do a fantastic job, but I think it's really important for people,

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for the family to do something themselves as well, you know.

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Yeah, it's lovely. And I love that note, the writing of the note and putting

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it in the hole and I think that's really beautiful.

522
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Who did you say was the person responsible for that idea?

523
00:32:10,546 --> 00:32:15,246
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Louise is sort of our in-house planner and she works really closely with families,

524
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you know, so she'll run the ceremonies.

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00:32:17,466 --> 00:32:21,146
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She just did the, I think I was mentioning to you today, we had a ceremony,

526
00:32:21,306 --> 00:32:23,546
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a pet dog that passed away.

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She ran that ceremony as well. So she's extremely thoughtful.

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She's, you know, very connected. She holds a deep space for family.

529
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She means and puts everything into every ceremony that she does.

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00:32:36,566 --> 00:32:41,386
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So that's just one part of it. She has a really great process that she works.

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00:32:41,506 --> 00:32:44,826
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So that means you also have places for pets?

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00:32:45,086 --> 00:32:47,746
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Yeah, so we do have a dedicated pet garden.

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So pets ashes can go through the same treatment process and then they're placed

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underneath a shared garden.

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So there's flowers and trees all in this beautiful garden space, sort of like a pet Eden.

536
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But then there is also the opportunity for pets to

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be joined with their families within a tree a legacy tree

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and that's what we had today so zuki was

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the dog's name i feel like i'm getting that wrong but i'm sure zuki and

540
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she was actually the first to go into their oak tree

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but for hazel and glenn

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they both know that they're going to be joining zuki one day and

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i mean we're just having a chat about it it's such a

544
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beautiful story so zuki actually was the one

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that brought them together so hazel had

546
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lost her husband her first husband and she was going through the difficult grief

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and her friend said you've got to get a dog you've got to get a dog and she

548
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said i'm not getting a dog and then before she knew it she had a dog and this

549
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is so cute but she'd never had dogs before didn't know how to take care of her

550
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and she still wanted to travel which is why she was sort of pushing back.

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But I think she then started to find places that were dog-friendly and she started

552
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to do reviews and it became a thing.

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00:33:57,009 --> 00:34:02,489
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So she would travel around the UK and do reviews of hotels and places that were

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dog-friendly and that became quite a thing that she did.

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And then one day she was going to London for her granddaughter's,

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I think, third birthday and something happened last minute and so her daughter

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00:34:15,929 --> 00:34:18,989
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said, oh, look, I've got a guy at work who will take care of the dog.

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And this was her, Glenn, her now husband. And so he'd taken care of the dog

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and the dog loved him but never liked any other strangers.

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00:34:27,969 --> 00:34:31,289
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And that was the start of the relationship. And they said when they got married,

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Zuki was the ring bearer and, you know, this beautiful part of their family.

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And now she's died before either of them, but she's at home in the tree waiting

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for them when their time does come. What a beautiful story.

564
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That's amazing. And so does that mean multiple people can actually,

565
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or even generations and pets by the sounds of it, can actually go around the one legacy tree?

566
00:34:57,529 --> 00:35:01,649
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Yeah, absolutely. So we've got trees of different sizes. And when I say sizes,

567
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it's the space of the area of land they take up, essentially.

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00:35:05,849 --> 00:35:11,509
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So the largest tree can take, eight people can share it, which is plenty for several generations.

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00:35:11,889 --> 00:35:15,769
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And in reality, more than eight people can go in the tree as long as it's more

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than seven years apart we just would rather under promise and over deliver because we wouldn't.

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You know, God forbid, you know, let's say it was a medium tree for two people

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and they wanted four for their kids, but they all died in a car accident.

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And we said, well, we have to wait seven years for the next two.

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So, but the reality is, is yes, it's really cool in that way.

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00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:42,160
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So, you know, our most popular trees are actually a medium and a large.

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So that's two and five, which means it's, you know, either a couple that want

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to share it or a couple that want to plan for their kids to,

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you know, come and join them at some point in the future.

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I mean, obviously, we do have the extra large ones, and they are popular as

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well, but not as popular.

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They're often used, you know, you might have a couple who've got mum and dad's

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ashes, and then they know they've got them, and then they've got kids as well.

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So, they're thinking, just like you said, multi-generational,

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which I think is really great.

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You know, often people, like, really desperate to try to get into so-and-so's

586
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cemetery because mum and dad are there, but there's no plots left,

587
00:36:18,220 --> 00:36:21,820
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and they might end up paying $20,000, $30,000 for a great plot.

588
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,940
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It's nice to know that you can all actually not just be close but literally

589
00:36:25,940 --> 00:36:30,180
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all creating these seeds and these flowers and the leaves on the tree.

590
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,520
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What a beautiful thing. Lovely. Yeah.

591
00:36:33,100 --> 00:36:38,980
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It's a really lovely, you know, story and such a legacy to leave.

592
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:44,800
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So tell me, have you, you know, picked your own tree, Luke? I have.

593
00:36:45,100 --> 00:36:48,500
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My tree is up there already. I've been a little bit ostentatious.

594
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,260
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I've got a modern day ficus.

595
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Up on the hill yeah nice with all the aerial roots that'll come down yeah absolutely

596
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it's one of my favorite trees so i mean i've got a lot of favorite trees now

597
00:37:02,740 --> 00:37:06,780
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like i used to have a few trees that i liked and now every you know like you

598
00:37:06,780 --> 00:37:09,880
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get so enamored with all these different trees that we see.

599
00:37:10,477 --> 00:37:13,957
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But, yeah, that's the tree I've got. And, you know, so my dad's got his tree

600
00:37:13,957 --> 00:37:17,377
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here and obviously Warren has his tree here.

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You know, it's a central part of the family.

602
00:37:20,057 --> 00:37:25,817
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And tell me, what's the future for Mornington Green? Look, we are growing pretty rapidly.

603
00:37:26,257 --> 00:37:31,557
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One of the things we do here is it's not an accident that when you walked in

604
00:37:31,557 --> 00:37:32,797
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it didn't feel like a cemetery.

605
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It's not just because of the way it looks, it's the energy that we hold here.

606
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And one of the ways that we keep this from just being

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00:37:40,177 --> 00:37:42,957
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like a memorial garden which often

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00:37:42,957 --> 00:37:45,677
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people expect a memorial garden when they hear of us and it

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isn't the same at all as you would have noticed is we

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00:37:48,777 --> 00:37:51,917
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have a lot of living events you know so we have

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00:37:51,917 --> 00:37:55,117
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planting days we have you know christmas in july we

612
00:37:55,117 --> 00:37:58,177
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have all kinds of events throughout the year

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you know daffodil day and this summer

614
00:38:01,137 --> 00:38:04,217
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we're going to be doing again the world's largest sunflower so

615
00:38:04,217 --> 00:38:07,117
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last summer we planted this flower bed

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you would have seen that flower bed it's like 50 meter long and

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00:38:10,237 --> 00:38:13,777
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we had 3 000 giant russian sunflowers

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00:38:13,777 --> 00:38:16,757
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this year we're going to widen the sunflower and

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have a full variety of sunflowers all those

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cool you know those orange and black ones and fluffy ones and it's just you

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00:38:25,257 --> 00:38:31,177
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know all of these different events bring people in to enjoy the beauty of life

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00:38:31,177 --> 00:38:36,117
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and to just embrace that lovely feeling nature just being in glory you know

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00:38:36,117 --> 00:38:39,077
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and And so it shifts, it does shift the experience.

624
00:38:39,237 --> 00:38:43,457
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And we have one of the clients that came to Christmas in July, he'd lost a husband.

625
00:38:43,957 --> 00:38:48,577
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And even though having a tree is beautiful, it's still a very sad time in life

626
00:38:48,577 --> 00:38:50,077
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when you've just lost your life partner.

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00:38:50,846 --> 00:38:54,686
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And she said she came specifically to Christmas in July because she was like,

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it's time, it's been a few weeks, I want to shift this experience now.

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And she had a really lovely time there. She met some other great families that have trees here.

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00:39:02,446 --> 00:39:05,006
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And she said, that was everything I needed. And now, you know,

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00:39:05,066 --> 00:39:08,306
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when I come here, I've now got this shift of experience, you know.

632
00:39:08,446 --> 00:39:12,866
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And that's what it's all about, embracing being alive and those living memories,

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00:39:13,046 --> 00:39:15,306
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not just, you know, being sad about the end.

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00:39:15,746 --> 00:39:19,746
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So, that's part of it. More and more of that, you know, creating more and more

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00:39:19,746 --> 00:39:22,006
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events. We want to have art in here.

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00:39:22,526 --> 00:39:25,906
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Aside from that, the future of us, we are looking to expand.

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00:39:25,946 --> 00:39:31,666
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So we are looking for places interstate, part of this Living Legacy group.

638
00:39:32,346 --> 00:39:35,786
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And so we're looking for places interstate. We get emails every day.

639
00:39:35,966 --> 00:39:39,426
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You know, when are you coming to Queensland? When are you going to be in South Australia?

640
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So we want to find another place so we can service more Australians and give

641
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them a better experience.

642
00:39:47,046 --> 00:39:50,426
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We've started the next garden. which

643
00:39:50,426 --> 00:39:53,726
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i think is going to be called lumia garden from the

644
00:39:53,726 --> 00:39:56,946
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indigenous word from the local mob

645
00:39:56,946 --> 00:40:00,246
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and i think it means to rest rest in

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place yeah it's nice i think it's important to pay homage to the traditional

647
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custodians of the land and it's nice that it sort of works in with what we do

648
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and 60 of that garden now so that'll be released once this garden's full or

649
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at least close to I got the community planned to go days,

650
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but we are establishing now a volunteer gardening group.

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One of the things we realized, it is like, we've noticed just how lonely people are.

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Some of the more elderly clients are and

653
00:40:32,688 --> 00:40:35,988
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they're really often quite desperate to have purpose

654
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and to be a part of something and so by

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creating this volunteer group that can regularly come out

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we put on the IT biscuits and obviously we have

657
00:40:46,368 --> 00:40:49,308
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all the tools we purchase the tools and the plants and

658
00:40:49,308 --> 00:40:52,208
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the bulbs and whatnot but what a nice thing

659
00:40:52,208 --> 00:40:55,608
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for them to be able to come in be a part of a group

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00:40:55,608 --> 00:40:58,868
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and have friends and have a purpose but they're also helping out

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00:40:58,868 --> 00:41:01,648
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you know they know at the back of their minds the flowers they

662
00:41:01,648 --> 00:41:04,888
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plant are gonna potentially greet

663
00:41:04,888 --> 00:41:07,628
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somebody on a really crappy day and give them a

664
00:41:07,628 --> 00:41:10,528
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smile right and just see like right now we've got

665
00:41:10,528 --> 00:41:13,708
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tulips popping up from one of our previous planting days

666
00:41:13,708 --> 00:41:16,568
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that the community helped plant and it's so beautiful

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00:41:16,568 --> 00:41:19,468
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you can't help but get a little bit of a grin when you see them pop up

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00:41:19,468 --> 00:41:22,848
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so more of that more more community engagement

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00:41:22,848 --> 00:41:26,128
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more events you know obviously expanding

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00:41:26,128 --> 00:41:29,748
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the stages as each garden grows through and obviously

671
00:41:29,748 --> 00:41:32,888
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as i said like just trying to find other little ways

672
00:41:32,888 --> 00:41:38,148
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to create magic in these ceremonies hold the space better and allow people to

673
00:41:38,148 --> 00:41:43,468
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connect in a more meaningful way yeah that's really beautiful luke and yeah

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00:41:43,468 --> 00:41:47,348
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i really commend you on what you and warren and your team have done because

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00:41:47,348 --> 00:41:51,208
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it's a very beautiful space to be around in and.

676
00:41:51,588 --> 00:41:58,068
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Yeah, you don't even really notice that it's part of a legacy garden and,

677
00:41:58,088 --> 00:42:04,368
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yeah, it's just a really beautiful space with beautiful growing trees. Thank you, Catherine.

678
00:42:04,788 --> 00:42:08,908
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Well, thank you so much for your time today, Luke. I really appreciate it. Thank you so much.

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