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I did children's tours for a bit, and
I've got one bad ghost, the abductor.

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When I have a child on the tour, they'll
go, Oh, my left hand's really cold.

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What does that mean?

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And he used to lead them off, apparently.

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He'd hold their hands and
lead them off to abduct them.

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Welcome to Don't Be Caught Dead, a
podcast encouraging open conversations

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about dying and the death of a loved one.

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I'm your host, Catherine Ashton, founder
of Critical Info, and I'm helping to

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bring your stories of death back to life.

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Because while you may not be ready
to die, at least you can be prepared.

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Don't Be Caught Dead acknowledges
the lands of the Kulin Nations

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and recognises their connection
to land, sea and community.

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We pay our respects to their elders
past, present, and emerging, and

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extend that respect to all Aboriginal
and Torres Strait Islander and First

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Nation peoples around the globe.

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Today I'm speaking with Jenny Tompkins.

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She runs Sorento Ghost Tours.

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They operate on the Mornington Peninsula.

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Jenny takes group tours to locations
known to be haunted in and around Sorento.

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Thank you for being with us, Jenny.

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Pleasure.

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Now tell me, what inspired you
to start Sorrento Ghost Tours?

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Well, it came about because I was
doing emergency teaching and I got

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a bit sick of it, to be honest.

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And I thought, what else can I do with
my life and I've always loved history.

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And my children were about 15, 16, 17
and they'd started to go to parties.

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So I thought, wouldn't it be good if
I could work on Saturday nights and

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stay up late so that I could go and
pick them up after the parties and,

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you know, I'd be awake, I'd be alive.

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So that's how it started.

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And then I decided to do
history tours during the day.

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And then someone said to me,
if you do ghost tours, There's

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a lot of history in them.

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And I thought, if I do ghost
tours, I'm not sure whether I

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believe in ghosts or spirits.

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I didn't even know what
I thought about it.

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So I went and did the Ballarat ghost tour.

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And I said to the fellow, do you mind
if I have a chat to you afterwards?

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And he said, yeah, yeah, no worries.

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And I said, I really am thinking of doing
them at Sorrento, but I'm not sure how I

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believe, whether I believe in the ghosts.

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And I said, I don't like lying to people.

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And he said, well, you're
basically telling ghost stories.

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And he said, but give yourself six
months, you will be an avid believer

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because weird stuff will start to happen.

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Well, it only took me three months.

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The things that were going on on my
tours, I just went, there is more to

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this than what I had even contemplated.

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That was incredible.

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Yeah, so that's how it all started,
just because of my children going

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to parties, really, and then

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I can't believe that this whole business
is based on something for you to do

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while you're waiting to be the mum taxi.

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Yeah, that's right.

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I know.

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It was funny because I used to
pick them up, because I wear a big

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Black cloak and a big dress and
two of my children said, don't get

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out of the car when you get here.

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And then I had another one at
my third child said, Oh, can

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you come in, in your costume?

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Everyone wants to see it.

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So that's hilarious.

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So I just drive.

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So I used to operate quite a bit later.

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So I'd sort of do a tour at 10 and finish
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How very convenient, Goth mum has arrived.

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tell me, you did this, you
know, tour in Ballarat.

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What happened from then?

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So from then I decided that I would start,
because I thought his advice was great.

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So I had already gathered the history
of Sorrento, because I've always been

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interested in it, but I went further.

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I joined the museum.

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I joined You know, other
historical societies.

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And I started to look for all
the history and I decided which

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historical places I wanted to go to.

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So I got all the history about, you
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Sorrento hotel, the morgue, the Cunha,
which is not called the Cunha anymore.

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And then I went and dropped a pamphlet
into all those places and said, have

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you got any ghost stories for me?

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I couldn't believe how many people
rang and were telling me Ghost stories.

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So then I had like a, so I'd sort of
formulated my script, then I decided

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to get a group of clairvoyants out and
see whether they could pick anything

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up in the spots that I'd picked up.

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So there's a few groups down
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clairvoyants and talk to ghosts.

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So I invited one group out.

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And they came out, there were six of
them, and they picked up murders, they

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picked up the ghosts that I'd been
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Like, it was all just, I'd say,
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here, and they'd come up with it.

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And then they'd often get names,
they'd get what they're wearing, etc.

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Then I would go back to the museum, and
see if I could find what they were saying.

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Anything in the actual history
books that worked with what

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they were actually saying.

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So that's sort of how it formulated.

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And then I got into, because
I've never watched ghost stories.

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Like I've never really even
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I bought some ghost monitors from America,
beepers, and they pick up electricity.

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So electricians would say
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They're like a stud finder, I guess.

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But the spiritualists were saying that
when a ghost or a spirit comes in it

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sets off like an electrical vibe I guess?

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So the ghost monitors would beep.

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And then I discovered that I
could actually ask questions

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to the ghost monitors.

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So I could say, can you stop
beeping if you're Margaret?

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And, um.

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The monitor might stop beeping, and then
I'd ask another question and have you got

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more than one children and it would beep.

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So, you know, look, it's not 100
percent spot on, but it's enough for

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me to be really interested and for
my clients to be interested as well.

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I've got to ask, you've
got to take me back.

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I need more detail about
the six clairvoyants.

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Oh, yes.

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Well, one of them is a local girl,
and she's renowned at being very, very

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accurate and being very in tune with.

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You know, animals and how they're
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feeling and she sees ghosts.

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There's some people that can see ghosts,
hear ghosts and empathize with them.

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So there's all these different skills or
gifts, I guess I've started to call them.

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Some people can only feel them.

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Some people can only
see ghosts or spirits.

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Some people can feel their feelings.

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So if someone's really, really sad.

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They'll start crying, or if someone's
really happy, they'll get very happy.

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So there's all these different gifts
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lady has the gift of everything.

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And I've met quite a few of those people
since I started the tours, too, because

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they sometimes come on the tours.

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And it is absolutely fascinating when they
can actually see them, know what they're

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thinking, get information out of the
ghosts, and have a conversation with them.

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It's quite extraordinary.

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And is there a particular incident
that you could recall and share

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with us where there has been that
conversation that you've witnessed?

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I've had lots.

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I mean, there are thousands
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was a lady that rang me.

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Her name's Karen.

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I won't say her last name just for
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whether I could talk about it.

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She actually rang me one day and said,
I see you're running ghost tours.

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I'm going on a television
show as a clairvoyant.

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Can I come and practice with you?

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And I said, Oh yeah, absolutely.

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So she arrived, I wasn't in my outfit,
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and we went around and I would say
there's something here and she would

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tell me about whoever it was there.

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Because I kept a diary for
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said at each particular spot.

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So the first six clairvoyants
got me lots of stuff.

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Then, as people came on my tours,
because there is a lot of people that

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are in tune with the afterlife, they
would say things, and I'll write it in

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my diary, on the corner of, say, Ocean
Beach Road, someone said, there's a guy

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in a top hat, and I'd write it down.

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Well, she was spot on, with everything
that had ever been said, she picked it up.

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She was absolutely incredible and then we
got to one spot and I said to her I'd like

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to wait here because there's someone here
that I don't know anything about no one's

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been able to get any information about and
I didn't tell her whether it was a girl

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or boy because I thought I'll test her
and she said oh no there's no one here and

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I said no can we just wait a bit longer
and then I said are you here are you

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here and Karen said oh goodness there's a
little boy hanging over the fence there.

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And she turns to him and
says, yes, it's Jenny.

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And she said, he's giggling because he's
wondering why you're in your pajamas.

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And I said, what does he mean by that?

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And Karen said, do you normally
wear something different

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when you come on your tours?

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And I said, Oh yeah, I'm in a black coat.

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And she said, Oh, he thought you
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seen you in shorts and a t shirt.

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So he thought I was in my pajamas.

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So anyway, Karen said, Oh, he's just
jumped the fence and he's thrown

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his arms around you to say hello.

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So he's given me a big cuddle, apparently,
and I was able to get his name, how

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he died, what he was wearing, what he
was holding, all this sort of stuff.

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And then she said, actually, he's
got lots of questions for you.

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Do you mind if I, can I
ask you some questions?

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And I said, yeah, of course.

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And she said he cannot stop laughing
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night and he said, can you please bring
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kids at home play with Because they're
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And he said, and I've never seen
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they bounce these little blue
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And he said, you always say to your kids,
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It's going kalump, kalump, kalump.

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And that is exactly what happened.

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What I've said, so I said to Karen,
just, do my ghosts come home with me?

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And she said, well, quite possibly,
because if they like you, they'll just

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come and have a look around and then,
you know, then they'll come back.

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And have you ever had that feeling
that someone's in the car with you, or

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when she was saying the boy was hugging
you, have you had that feeling at all?

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Not then,

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but now I've actually developed, in fact,
a lot of people have said I'm an empath.

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So if you were to say to me, there's
a little boy here, if I get the

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goosebumps, I know that you're correct.

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If I don't get any goosebumps,
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I'm not picking it up as well.

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So yes, now I can tell whether
I've got someone next to me,

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but I have to be concentrating.

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It's not, I don't have the gift where,
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to me now and I wouldn't have a clue.

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I have to actually concentrate.

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And I can tell if people
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And do you think that is maybe a skill
that we all have, but we're just too

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distracted to be in tune with it?

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A hundred percent.

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In fact, I've never gone to try and
see if I can learn anything else

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because there's a point where I want
to stay in this world and I don't want

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to get too involved with that world.

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But yeah, I do, because if I've
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means anyone can develop it.

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And I think.

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You know, since then I have seen a ghost.

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So that's even that next step
beyond that and picked him out in a

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history book and rang the owner and
they said, yes, that's who it is.

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So I think you've got to be open to it.

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And I think it's a bit like, you know,
when you paint a house, you're going to.

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Thing like hypergenia, it's
called, where you're just painting

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and you're not concentrating.

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That's when you'll see your ghosts
and spirits for most people.

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So it's like when you just wake up in
the morning and you know, you start

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thinking, Oh, I've just dreamt that.

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I just dreamt that someone came
in or I just dreamt whatever.

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The chances are you
haven't just dreamt it.

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It is actually something
that is happening to you.

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It is really interesting, but I
imagine people that have gifts

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all the time can slip into that
hypergenia more easily than myself.

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And I've never tried to,
you know, learn it, I guess.

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And Jenny, do you mind sharing the
story about when you saw a ghost?

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Oh yeah, that was quite extraordinary.

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And can I tell you before
I tell you the story?

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I've never watched Ghostbusters
until after I saw this ghost.

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So I went away with five
girlfriends up near Malden, and

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we're in the middle of nowhere.

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And we're in this beautiful
old house that was 1870.

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And I'm a snorer.

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Or I was a snorer, apparently
I don't snore now, but I was.

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So all my girlfriends always put
me out in the room on my own.

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And my friend had built up this fire so
big, she's like, she just loves fire.

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And I was a bit nervous about going to bed
with the fire and the grate being so big.

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So I was a little bit,
you know, agitated anyway.

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But apparently when there's ghosts
around, that's how you feel.

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Agitated, heart rate, things like that.

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So I was feeling particularly that way.

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So I went to bed.

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And then I woke up and my sheet was lifted
and someone climbed in the bed next to me.

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And because I was sort of
dreaming, I said, is that you?

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And I said, my sister's name
and no answer, of course.

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And then I started to just naturally go
get out of my bed, get out of my bed.

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I couldn't actually feel anything.

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It was quite weird.

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I just knew.

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Something was in the bed with me.

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Then they went, and then I
felt the sheet lift again.

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Get out, get out!

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And then this face flew towards me,
and it was about at least half a meter

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wide, and like round, like a big round
face, but I could still see a face,

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and it came flying towards me, like
when you open your computer and a face

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comes out, it was a bit like that, and
it came flying at me at a hundred miles

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an hour, and I actually went like that.

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And I kept watching it and it
actually had a little tail.

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So really extraordinary.

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And then it just disappeared.

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And the next day I said to my friends,
this is what happened to me last night.

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And everyone's gone.

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You dreamt it.

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And I said, yeah, well,
I think I might've.

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And then one of my friends
who's a little bit.

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Clever went said, can you look
through this history book and see

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if you can see this guy's face?

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So I'm flicking through and just
happened to have like a hundred photos

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of people that had lived in the area.

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And I said, Oh, that's him.

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So we rang the owner of the house
and I said, does say Henry, does

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Henry blah, blah, haunts this house.

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And the guy that owned the house
said, yes, lots of people have rung

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and said, have you got a ghost?

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But he was so much fun because I said
to him, I don't want you here the

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following night and he didn't come
back, but the house was so old, it

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had light, you know, those big cords
from the lights that you turn on and

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he wouldn't let me turn the lights on.

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And then my friends had come over
and go, it just turns on like that.

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I go, yeah, but I can't do it.

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And it turned out he was
playing funny buggers.

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So then I'd say to him, don't
let my friends turn it on.

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So then they'd come over and
then they couldn't turn it on.

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Yeah.

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So, yeah, it was, it was great
and it was really good for me.

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And you hadn't noticed this
history book earlier in the day?

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You hadn't looked through it or?

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No.

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In fact, when I was telling my friends
about it at breakfast, someone said

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there's a portrait over the fireplace
and I went, Oh, I wonder if that's it.

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So I went out, wasn't the guy over
the fireplace and someone said,

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there's another photo over there.

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So we were looking around the
whole house and none of the photos.

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And then it was her that said, I actually
saw this, it's in my bedroom, and she

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said come and have a look at this one.

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And that's when I saw his face.

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Wow.

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And so the owner said that
there'd been similar stories?

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Yes.

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Said a lot of people ring
and say, there's this guy.

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So I don't know, maybe some people
that can talk to him actually got

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his name from him, or maybe they all
opened the history book, I don't know.

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Because they have a funny way of, you
know, directing you as well, Ghost.

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So, because my friend was slightly
in tune, she might have went, I

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think he's in that history book.

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So, now that I know a little bit more,
I could probably concentrate and get

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a bit of a clue, possibly, about where
we could find out who that person was.

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And Jenny, This holiday away with
your girlfriend, was this before

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you started your business or after?

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After.

314
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It was probably three or four years in.

315
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Yeah, okay.

316
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So you maybe started to
develop that feeling?

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Yes, and I knew enough that
I could ask him not to let

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my friends turn on the light.

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So I knew quite a bit about how I
could play with the ghosts by then.

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So it sounds like your experience has made
you perhaps more courageous in relation

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to exploring this sort of communication
between the two worlds or realms.

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Like, how do you refer to it?

323
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What's the appropriate terms?

324
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Yeah, good question.

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And I don't want to offend anyone out
there that actually knows a lot more

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than me because I've deliberately, like,
I've stayed slightly ignorant because

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I don't want to be waking up and seeing
ghosts all the time or feeling them.

328
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You know, like people say, they
come at them in the shopping

329
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center and they're trying to get
messages to their loved ones.

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I don't want to get to that point where
they're annoying me in a nice way at all.

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It just is what it is.

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And even people say, you know, if we
start talking about someone's mum that's

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passed away or sisters, they'll come into
the room and I'll feel them come in and

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I'll start to get questions in my head.

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I couldn't even tell you how it happens.

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It just happens.

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And as a child, were you a curious kid?

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No, not about anything like that.

339
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Like I was an avid reader.

340
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I've always loved historical romances.

341
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I've always loved history
genre, but I've never been

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supernatural or anything like that.

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My mum was into it.

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And if anything, I think it
probably made me turn away from it.

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A little bit, but it's been lovely
now that I've got this bit of an

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understanding, 'cause I actually
understand her a little bit more now.

347
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And when you say your mum was into
it, can you gimme a few examples?

348
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Mum used to say she could see things
and we just used to laugh at her.

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We were terrible.

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Like really bad.

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Really bad.

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Actually didn't take her seriously at all.

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Do you recall one of her stories?

354
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There was a guy in the back shed that she
reckoned had killed someone with a ax.

355
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And she wouldn't go into the shed.

356
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Like, she just wouldn't go there.

357
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We used to go and not feel anything.

358
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Okay, there's nothing in here.

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You know, so she probably didn't tell
us as much as she could have because we

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were so, you know, you're making it up.

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Which is really bad.

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If you've got any family that sees
things, please be nicer than we were.

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Because they're not making it up.

364
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Most people that say it
are actually legitimate.

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And how would you say your experience
has sort of moulded and changed, you

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know, from this child that really
didn't believe what her mum was

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saying, to now having your own personal
experiences, and almost feeling like

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that you got to the point where you were
sharing a joke with the ghost against

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your friends with the light switch?

370
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Yes.

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Yes, I know.

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I choose who I share everything with,
which was one of my concerns about

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coming on here, because I'm selling
the ghost to us, and then I've had

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this terrible conscience, because I
promised all the ghosts I'd move them

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00:19:01,739 --> 00:19:04,930
through to the light, which is, you
know, something else to talk about, but

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00:19:05,430 --> 00:19:06,800
I don't think I should be selling it.

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I think I should be moving all the
ghosts on and just leaving it as it is.

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And I was telling six of my friends
and two of them are male and I

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could feel their faces next to me
going, thinking, you're an idiot.

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I've seen my girlfriend
across going, you're an idiot.

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And then my other two friends that
are very in tune are both going,

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yeah, I can see the dilemma.

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So I'm very careful with who I talk
about things with because there are

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some people that, you know, just.

385
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They're not ready to accept anything
that's a little bit beyond this world.

386
00:19:43,595 --> 00:19:45,715
But you weren't always a believer.

387
00:19:45,935 --> 00:19:49,145
You know, it's funny because people
have told me ghost stories before,

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like, I had a friend came to work one
day and said, Oh gosh, I opened the

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wardrobe today and there was a ghost.

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00:19:54,075 --> 00:19:55,124
This guy came out.

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And I would listen and it wasn't
that I didn't believe her.

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I just didn't take that next
step to actually really think

393
00:20:00,825 --> 00:20:01,915
about what she was saying.

394
00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:06,180
And at what point did you think,
okay, there's something in this?

395
00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:10,500
Oh, it would have been, I
reckon, after my third tour.

396
00:20:10,980 --> 00:20:12,329
Actually, no, even earlier than that.

397
00:20:12,330 --> 00:20:16,039
I reckon my first two tours with
friends so that I could tweak it.

398
00:20:16,050 --> 00:20:17,680
So it was just like a
little practice to it.

399
00:20:18,069 --> 00:20:23,090
The first tour that I took
public out with alleyway.

400
00:20:24,409 --> 00:20:28,449
Everyone's cameras just drained of
battery, and then they all came,

401
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once we got out of that area,
all the batteries came back up.

402
00:20:32,540 --> 00:20:34,800
So I'd read about things like
that, but I actually never

403
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expected it to happen on my tours.

404
00:20:37,250 --> 00:20:41,019
And was that their batteries, like,
on their mobile phone cameras,

405
00:20:41,019 --> 00:20:43,330
or their old school cameras?

406
00:20:43,370 --> 00:20:45,939
Both, because that was 14 years ago.

407
00:20:45,999 --> 00:20:48,979
Not everyone owned a
mobile then, did they?

408
00:20:49,580 --> 00:20:50,649
They were just sort of coming in.

409
00:20:50,919 --> 00:20:54,800
So some people were still carrying battery
ones, and some people had the mobile.

410
00:20:54,810 --> 00:20:55,990
So a bit of both.

411
00:20:56,129 --> 00:20:56,679
Wow.

412
00:20:56,830 --> 00:20:59,360
And that was what second
tour in, did you say?

413
00:20:59,590 --> 00:21:01,510
Well, even probably the first public tour.

414
00:21:01,779 --> 00:21:04,959
Because I used to have lanterns that
I used to give to everyone to carry

415
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,860
around, and sometimes they would
flicker and go off in certain areas.

416
00:21:09,260 --> 00:21:12,050
People with torches used to bring
torches, because they didn't have the

417
00:21:12,090 --> 00:21:13,610
mobile phone, of course, back then.

418
00:21:14,449 --> 00:21:17,030
The batteries had stopped working,
and they'd go, we just changed the

419
00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:18,610
batteries before we came on the tour.

420
00:21:19,395 --> 00:21:23,765
So that was kind of the start of it and
then probably on my third tour in I had

421
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this boy called Jeremy come and He was
about 20 and he stayed after the tour.

422
00:21:30,605 --> 00:21:33,795
He'd never told anyone that he
could see ghosts ever, ever, ever.

423
00:21:34,055 --> 00:21:35,185
So he'd come on his own.

424
00:21:35,434 --> 00:21:39,435
He did the tour and we're talking
afterwards in the park and he

425
00:21:39,435 --> 00:21:43,134
said, you know, it's been so nice
to listen to you talk and realize

426
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that I'm actually not crazy.

427
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:49,220
And then he started to look a bit pained
And he said, Oh, the band in the Rotunda

428
00:21:49,220 --> 00:21:50,740
is playing and they're out of tune.

429
00:21:50,740 --> 00:21:55,850
So I said, what are they wearing?

430
00:21:55,850 --> 00:21:58,060
And he said, Oh, they've got
red coats and gold buttons.

431
00:21:58,070 --> 00:22:00,330
And so I went to the museum,
of course, and checked it out.

432
00:22:00,330 --> 00:22:02,909
And that's exactly what they used
to, they used to come down on

433
00:22:02,909 --> 00:22:04,680
the paddle steamers to Sorrento.

434
00:22:04,695 --> 00:22:07,725
And the band had come and played
in the Rotunda at the Four Shore

435
00:22:07,735 --> 00:22:10,115
there and, and he was spot on.

436
00:22:10,415 --> 00:22:14,054
So, little things like that, just
people on my tour saying things and

437
00:22:14,875 --> 00:22:16,685
I'd go, wow, it's just incredible.

438
00:22:16,775 --> 00:22:20,935
Because Sorrento is one of the
first places that was settled.

439
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:22,800
In Port Phillip.

440
00:22:23,100 --> 00:22:23,540
Correct.

441
00:22:23,540 --> 00:22:26,100
It was actually the very
first settlement in Victoria.

442
00:22:26,570 --> 00:22:29,889
So it settled, except they didn't stay.

443
00:22:29,889 --> 00:22:34,480
So they came in 1803 to Sorrento and
they only lasted nine months because

444
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:35,730
we don't have any drinking water.

445
00:22:35,959 --> 00:22:39,689
There's not many trees for building
things and our soil is really sandy.

446
00:22:39,780 --> 00:22:39,909
So.

447
00:22:40,620 --> 00:22:44,219
They got up and went to Tasmania
and they didn't come back till 1835.

448
00:22:44,710 --> 00:22:48,500
So really Sorrento can boast in Victoria
the very first magistrate's court,

449
00:22:48,550 --> 00:22:53,790
first post office, first wedding,
first birth, all those sort of things.

450
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,660
Yeah, so it is, it's very historical.

451
00:22:55,750 --> 00:22:59,189
And around that area I know that
the National Trust property,

452
00:22:59,580 --> 00:23:06,160
Macrae, That has significant history
of First Nations people being

453
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,100
documented in that area as well.

454
00:23:08,110 --> 00:23:12,340
So, have you ever come across,
you know, ghosts of First Nations

455
00:23:12,340 --> 00:23:14,480
people or anything along that line?

456
00:23:14,750 --> 00:23:19,890
Yes, and I'm really embarrassed to say
that when I first started the tours, I'd

457
00:23:19,940 --> 00:23:23,220
been to the museum and there wasn't a
lot documented about the Bunurong tribe.

458
00:23:23,450 --> 00:23:27,010
And what was documented was
that they were treated really

459
00:23:27,010 --> 00:23:27,859
well by First Nations people.

460
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:29,910
The white people when they arrived.

461
00:23:29,940 --> 00:23:33,040
So when I did my tours, I used
to talk about the Bunurong

462
00:23:33,060 --> 00:23:35,330
tribe, but I'd say, Oh yeah, but
they've been treated really well.

463
00:23:35,370 --> 00:23:39,120
And there was one spot in the
Sorrento park where you'd always

464
00:23:39,169 --> 00:23:40,189
get hit on the back of the head.

465
00:23:40,559 --> 00:23:42,769
Like I never got hit on the back of
the head, but some people that are

466
00:23:42,769 --> 00:23:47,360
sensitive, they go, geez, someone's
just smacked me on the back of the head.

467
00:23:47,905 --> 00:23:50,715
Or someone else would go,
Oh, my neck's killing me.

468
00:23:50,725 --> 00:23:53,975
You know, so they were picking up how
the indigenous were actually treated.

469
00:23:54,274 --> 00:23:58,715
This smacking on the back of the head
went on probably for a couple of years.

470
00:23:59,165 --> 00:24:03,334
And then I read this book that came
out and it said that when they first

471
00:24:03,334 --> 00:24:07,844
landed in 1803, they were swapping
spears for guns and things, the

472
00:24:07,844 --> 00:24:11,554
white people in the Bunurong tribe,
and a gun accidentally went off

473
00:24:11,554 --> 00:24:13,804
and injured one of the indigenous.

474
00:24:14,365 --> 00:24:17,305
Someone came on my tour and the guy
that had been smacking everyone on

475
00:24:17,305 --> 00:24:21,135
the back of the head was actually
Indigenous, and apparently he'd been

476
00:24:21,175 --> 00:24:25,945
killed, according to the people on my
tour, by a white person had smacked him

477
00:24:25,945 --> 00:24:27,335
with a plank of wood and killed him.

478
00:24:27,565 --> 00:24:30,405
I could never find that in the
museum, it wasn't documented,

479
00:24:30,824 --> 00:24:32,605
however, it kind of makes sense.

480
00:24:32,615 --> 00:24:35,505
So once I got to that point and
I'd say, I'm really sorry that

481
00:24:35,505 --> 00:24:38,524
you got hit on the back of the
head, and what happened to you?

482
00:24:38,655 --> 00:24:39,835
No one ever got hit again.

483
00:24:40,305 --> 00:24:42,295
So that was interesting as well.

484
00:24:42,810 --> 00:24:47,129
And there is an area that I go up and
just recently, I think I found a tree

485
00:24:47,129 --> 00:24:51,530
that's all women's business tree,
where it's got a lot of beautiful,

486
00:24:51,890 --> 00:24:55,320
indigenous women, business type tree.

487
00:24:55,850 --> 00:25:01,270
And a lot of people that are very in tune
have been drawn to this tree and said,

488
00:25:01,270 --> 00:25:03,850
it's very spiritual and it's very special.

489
00:25:04,350 --> 00:25:07,010
Even though I don't think the tree
would have been there because.

490
00:25:07,530 --> 00:25:11,350
A lot of the limestone burners took
out every tree on the peninsula

491
00:25:11,350 --> 00:25:13,250
to do their limestone burning.

492
00:25:13,830 --> 00:25:18,460
However, in saying that, it could have
just been the area that was very sacred.

493
00:25:19,050 --> 00:25:23,480
And so sometimes we do go under
the tree, but I have to just think

494
00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:27,189
about whether the group I'm taking
around is welcome under the tree.

495
00:25:27,660 --> 00:25:30,330
And then my monitors will tell me,
sometimes I'll ask whether are we

496
00:25:30,330 --> 00:25:34,050
welcome and the monitor will go no,
so I don't take people under the tree.

497
00:25:34,050 --> 00:25:35,980
But sometimes the monitors say yes.

498
00:25:36,415 --> 00:25:37,605
Then we'll go under the tree.

499
00:25:37,895 --> 00:25:43,585
And have you spoken to anyone of the
Boomerang, you know, clan to let them

500
00:25:43,585 --> 00:25:45,305
know what you've experienced there?

501
00:25:45,555 --> 00:25:45,955
No.

502
00:25:46,204 --> 00:25:49,815
And in fact, I've met a few but no,
I have not talked about it because

503
00:25:50,295 --> 00:25:53,879
I'm very conscious too that we're not
supposed to take photos of people.

504
00:25:54,420 --> 00:25:55,960
Indigenous people as well.

505
00:25:56,510 --> 00:25:59,990
So sometimes when we get up there,
no, I haven't, but I should, that

506
00:25:59,990 --> 00:26:03,120
would be actually really interesting,
but I don't know how it would be.

507
00:26:03,180 --> 00:26:03,759
Yeah, I probably

508
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:04,129
should

509
00:26:04,139 --> 00:26:04,590
actually.

510
00:26:05,030 --> 00:26:09,789
Yeah, just, just having a conversation
and then, you know, whether they're

511
00:26:09,789 --> 00:26:14,050
privy to any of that information or can
help you out, you know, but the fact

512
00:26:14,050 --> 00:26:18,330
that it's consistent behaviour that
you've been noticing over a period of

513
00:26:18,340 --> 00:26:20,360
time, it may be of interest to them.

514
00:26:20,420 --> 00:26:21,380
Yes, absolutely.

515
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:22,390
It probably is actually.

516
00:26:22,470 --> 00:26:23,760
Yeah, maybe when I shut down all.

517
00:26:24,245 --> 00:26:27,735
Let them know that that's up there
and have a look and see how they feel.

518
00:26:27,905 --> 00:26:30,745
And so tell me about this book
that you were referencing earlier

519
00:26:30,864 --> 00:26:33,314
that changed your, your feelings.

520
00:26:33,324 --> 00:26:36,094
Couldn't have said anything because I
didn't write down where I got it from.

521
00:26:36,435 --> 00:26:37,275
No, that's okay.

522
00:26:37,275 --> 00:26:39,095
We can add it to the show notes later.

523
00:26:39,435 --> 00:26:41,185
But obviously it was quite significant.

524
00:26:41,675 --> 00:26:42,474
Yes, it was.

525
00:26:42,574 --> 00:26:44,225
I would have written it
down in my notes somewhere.

526
00:26:44,225 --> 00:26:47,375
I've got loads and loads of notes
from all my research and things, but

527
00:26:47,445 --> 00:26:49,175
And tell me about those notes.

528
00:26:49,175 --> 00:26:53,565
Did you start taking your
diary notes from the very first

529
00:26:54,895 --> 00:26:57,024
Yes, and not deliberately.

530
00:26:57,035 --> 00:26:59,945
It's just that I had must have
had a few people like Jeremy that

531
00:27:00,004 --> 00:27:02,895
came on the tour was saying, Oh,
there's a guy there with a top hat.

532
00:27:02,895 --> 00:27:05,855
So I just go home and write it
all down before I forgot it.

533
00:27:05,865 --> 00:27:09,794
So I get home and I just spend 5
minutes just writing down what had

534
00:27:09,794 --> 00:27:13,715
happened on the tour and also next to
people's names and their phone numbers.

535
00:27:13,715 --> 00:27:15,304
I'd write down what happened on the tour.

536
00:27:15,814 --> 00:27:18,105
just for my own interest
more than anything.

537
00:27:18,325 --> 00:27:22,885
And that itself is really a
record of something that is

538
00:27:22,915 --> 00:27:24,615
historical in its own right.

539
00:27:24,884 --> 00:27:26,755
True, and I probably haven't
done it for the last five years

540
00:27:26,785 --> 00:27:28,635
because I'm so used to it now.

541
00:27:28,674 --> 00:27:30,644
You know when something
becomes the new norm?

542
00:27:30,874 --> 00:27:31,814
Yeah, yeah.

543
00:27:31,864 --> 00:27:35,625
Well, not everyone has that
sort of level of new norm that

544
00:27:35,635 --> 00:27:36,975
you're talking about, Jenny.

545
00:27:37,535 --> 00:27:38,035
That's true.

546
00:27:39,585 --> 00:27:45,244
So tell me, like, what sort of areas Well,

547
00:27:45,325 --> 00:27:47,635
I've cleared the energy a
little bit in a lot of them.

548
00:27:48,055 --> 00:27:51,445
So apparently that happens when
Ghost Tours run in particular areas.

549
00:27:51,455 --> 00:27:54,945
So it was the Masonic Lodge in Sorrento
that all the cameras used to drain.

550
00:27:55,065 --> 00:27:56,065
They don't anymore.

551
00:27:56,414 --> 00:28:00,525
And they probably didn't after
maybe the first year of tours.

552
00:28:00,775 --> 00:28:03,955
So I was quite busy the first year because
I was enthusiastic and it was my job.

553
00:28:04,055 --> 00:28:05,575
And my marketing is shocking.

554
00:28:05,625 --> 00:28:07,265
And I went back to work the second year.

555
00:28:07,265 --> 00:28:07,325
So.

556
00:28:08,495 --> 00:28:12,345
The first few years were probably when
I was really doing a lot of tours.

557
00:28:12,355 --> 00:28:15,685
So within a year, yeah, the
camera stopped draining.

558
00:28:16,065 --> 00:28:19,995
People come on your tours and if
there's someone really upset on

559
00:28:19,995 --> 00:28:21,405
your tour, they will move them on.

560
00:28:21,914 --> 00:28:23,985
They don't tell you they're going
to do it, but then you get there,

561
00:28:24,015 --> 00:28:27,285
you get to your next tour and that
person or that ghost is missing.

562
00:28:28,054 --> 00:28:31,794
And you think, damn it, someone has come
and moved them through to the light.

563
00:28:32,495 --> 00:28:36,554
So when I talk about that, and I'm
sorry if I'm incorrect because this

564
00:28:36,564 --> 00:28:41,324
is all word of mouth from people I've
met, so it's not actual science, it's

565
00:28:41,355 --> 00:28:43,214
what I've learnt from other people.

566
00:28:43,735 --> 00:28:47,825
Apparently, when someone dies and they
don't know that they're dead, so say

567
00:28:47,825 --> 00:28:49,264
they've been hit by a car or, you know.

568
00:28:49,775 --> 00:28:53,635
under a cart or whatever, that's when
they're a ghost and they're always there.

569
00:28:53,635 --> 00:28:55,305
So they're a bit stuck.

570
00:28:55,395 --> 00:28:59,824
I also have spirits on my tour, which
are people that have lived there.

571
00:28:59,904 --> 00:29:04,024
And as I say their names, because I
know someone's seen them there, they

572
00:29:04,024 --> 00:29:05,385
will come down for a quick visit.

573
00:29:06,354 --> 00:29:08,965
So they're not regular when
I start talking to them.

574
00:29:09,365 --> 00:29:11,555
Sometimes they'll come and say
hello, sometimes they won't.

575
00:29:11,565 --> 00:29:14,225
Depends on their mood, or I
don't know what it depends on,

576
00:29:14,345 --> 00:29:15,905
but they don't always come down.

577
00:29:16,355 --> 00:29:19,345
It's my ghosts that, uh,
people tend to move on.

578
00:29:19,654 --> 00:29:23,534
I did have a little girl who had a
lot of people get really, really upset

579
00:29:23,564 --> 00:29:25,044
when they came across this little girl.

580
00:29:25,044 --> 00:29:27,284
She was abducted in the late 1800s.

581
00:29:27,764 --> 00:29:31,094
And I did find her name in
the Serenno Museum as well.

582
00:29:31,155 --> 00:29:34,254
In fact, there was an abductor
that abducted quite a few girls.

583
00:29:34,535 --> 00:29:39,545
And after about three years, someone said
to me you probably should move her on.

584
00:29:39,715 --> 00:29:42,854
I didn't do it myself, I got someone
in and said can you please move

585
00:29:42,874 --> 00:29:45,475
her through to the light because
she was still with her abductor

586
00:29:45,954 --> 00:29:47,835
and it was really, really sad.

587
00:29:47,855 --> 00:29:49,305
So, she's gone.

588
00:29:49,895 --> 00:29:52,775
But she'll come down every now
and again and say, just to say

589
00:29:52,775 --> 00:29:54,105
thank you, which is really nice.

590
00:29:54,135 --> 00:29:58,515
She'll pop up, her name's Clara
Parker, and she'll come down and

591
00:29:58,555 --> 00:29:59,725
I'll say, Clara, are you there?

592
00:29:59,725 --> 00:30:01,775
And I'll say, are you with your mum now?

593
00:30:01,775 --> 00:30:05,575
And she's with her mum, where she
wasn't with her mum previously.

594
00:30:06,275 --> 00:30:06,985
Are you happy?

595
00:30:06,985 --> 00:30:07,735
Yeah, I'm happy.

596
00:30:07,795 --> 00:30:09,055
So it's, it's lovely.

597
00:30:09,395 --> 00:30:14,955
And when you say you get someone to come
and do it for you, do they have a stronger

598
00:30:14,985 --> 00:30:20,355
connection or more advanced skills or
what do they do that you've witnessed?

599
00:30:20,565 --> 00:30:22,375
Well, I didn't actually see them do it.

600
00:30:22,525 --> 00:30:27,145
The proof was probably in the pudding more
in that Clara wasn't there the next tour.

601
00:30:27,630 --> 00:30:31,610
And then about six months later, she was
back again and I needed a redoing again.

602
00:30:31,740 --> 00:30:35,710
So it took a few goes, but no, the
lady that first came out with all the

603
00:30:35,710 --> 00:30:39,740
clairvoyance, she knew someone that's very
good at moving people through to the lot.

604
00:30:40,090 --> 00:30:43,250
Apparently they did it
from their own house.

605
00:30:43,310 --> 00:30:45,060
They don't even come out
to Sorrento to do it.

606
00:30:45,500 --> 00:30:46,490
They just call her in.

607
00:30:46,490 --> 00:30:48,150
So they'd say, Clara, come in.

608
00:30:48,670 --> 00:30:50,960
And then somehow they,
everyone's different.

609
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,110
But my mum's told me that you can
sort of just push, push, push.

610
00:30:54,380 --> 00:30:56,720
But see, that's where I don't
understand because I haven't learned

611
00:30:56,750 --> 00:30:58,760
how, that's just what they told me.

612
00:30:58,950 --> 00:31:01,650
You just push, but I am sure
there's more to it than that.

613
00:31:01,730 --> 00:31:05,710
As I said, I'm no expert and have
never gone to any classes or anything.

614
00:31:05,770 --> 00:31:08,740
And that's the thing, because
like, how do you learn this?

615
00:31:08,740 --> 00:31:15,370
It seems like that you can become
more sensitive and more receptive of

616
00:31:15,370 --> 00:31:18,800
time moves on if you're exposed to it.

617
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,160
But yeah, like, is there
a school that you can go

618
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:22,729
to?

619
00:31:22,730 --> 00:31:23,030
There is.

620
00:31:23,590 --> 00:31:25,770
Yeah, there's lots of them, yeah.

621
00:31:25,870 --> 00:31:31,490
And sometimes, what's the one in, the
Mystic Dragon, I think, at Seaford, maybe?

622
00:31:31,710 --> 00:31:35,920
They come down and do my tour, so,
she runs a group, and she brings her

623
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:40,590
clients down to me once a year, and they
book a tour and they practice there.

624
00:31:40,830 --> 00:31:43,560
I don't actually do anything, it's my
easiest tour, I just enjoy watching them.

625
00:31:44,155 --> 00:31:46,505
And they come down and they practice.

626
00:31:46,555 --> 00:31:49,955
We just walk around and I'll
go, I think something's here.

627
00:31:50,145 --> 00:31:53,515
They'll all hover around and then they'll
come up with whatever they've seen.

628
00:31:53,515 --> 00:31:55,285
And, you know, I'll say,
yeah, you're correct.

629
00:31:55,845 --> 00:31:59,265
And the leader who's the, or the
teacher, she's pretty in tune too.

630
00:31:59,265 --> 00:32:00,575
So she'll go, yeah, well done.

631
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:02,360
Yeah, so it's really interesting.

632
00:32:02,810 --> 00:32:06,450
And because you have that
historical record, you are in

633
00:32:06,450 --> 00:32:08,800
a position to say yes or no.

634
00:32:09,420 --> 00:32:13,220
I never say no because I
can't see what they're seeing.

635
00:32:13,710 --> 00:32:17,650
So just because I can't see it
doesn't mean it's not there.

636
00:32:18,460 --> 00:32:20,690
But that's where I would
write it down then go and see

637
00:32:20,690 --> 00:32:22,120
if I can find any evidence.

638
00:32:22,470 --> 00:32:23,800
And that's the frustrating thing.

639
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:28,725
It's rare to find I found some things
at the start, but it is pretty hard to

640
00:32:28,725 --> 00:32:34,605
actually put things together because
you don't get exact dates or times or,

641
00:32:34,875 --> 00:32:38,385
you know, someone might say like there's
a guy that was killed at the corner

642
00:32:38,385 --> 00:32:43,305
of the Sorrento Park and someone got
his name the year he died and he said

643
00:32:43,305 --> 00:32:44,975
he was buried at the Dramana Cemetery.

644
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:48,620
Now, I went down to the Dramama Cemetery
looking for him and I didn't find him.

645
00:32:49,050 --> 00:32:52,800
But I had a lovely day down at the
cemetery anyway, trying to find him.

646
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,700
So it is a little frustrating
that I get really excited.

647
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,630
I mean, I'm going to find
this one and I don't always.

648
00:32:58,630 --> 00:33:02,310
Well, I'm glad that I'm not the
only one that finds going to

649
00:33:02,310 --> 00:33:04,370
a cemetery is entertainment.

650
00:33:04,530 --> 00:33:05,020
Oh, yeah.

651
00:33:05,070 --> 00:33:06,080
Isn't it fascinating?

652
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,770
Oh, from historical, you know, value.

653
00:33:08,790 --> 00:33:09,590
It's amazing.

654
00:33:09,700 --> 00:33:10,280
Yeah, I agree.

655
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:11,460
I'm quite drawn to them too.

656
00:33:11,780 --> 00:33:15,410
And I did take my monitors down to the
Sorrento Cemetery and got no action.

657
00:33:16,145 --> 00:33:20,125
And I figure that's because if I
died, I wouldn't hang around at the

658
00:33:20,125 --> 00:33:25,875
cemetery, I'd be hanging around at my
kid's houses, or the poor kid's, or,

659
00:33:25,925 --> 00:33:29,835
you know, at the theatre or wherever
I like to go, I'd be hanging out.

660
00:33:30,115 --> 00:33:33,485
And what have you found the
characteristics of where you do

661
00:33:33,495 --> 00:33:37,785
find, you know, the most sort
of sightings or experiences?

662
00:33:38,305 --> 00:33:40,635
What is the common thing
that you've seen down there?

663
00:33:40,715 --> 00:33:43,525
The common thing is actually the
people that come on the tour.

664
00:33:44,375 --> 00:33:49,175
So, if you've got a group, the best
groups are when you've got three or four

665
00:33:49,175 --> 00:33:53,625
different groups that don't know each
other, but they're all really into it.

666
00:33:53,845 --> 00:33:55,855
They're all positive.

667
00:33:55,955 --> 00:33:58,315
They're not going, Oh, you're a nutcase.

668
00:33:58,585 --> 00:34:05,755
That's when the ghosts just come out and
it can be fan, it can be just fantastic.

669
00:34:06,590 --> 00:34:07,780
And they're all picking.

670
00:34:07,820 --> 00:34:11,840
One of the ladies, those six people
that came out, can see things that

671
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,410
have happened on the environment.

672
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,650
So she explained it like a hologram.

673
00:34:15,910 --> 00:34:19,240
So she can see things that have
happened that were good and bad, like

674
00:34:19,460 --> 00:34:20,890
people waiting for the tram line.

675
00:34:20,890 --> 00:34:24,010
She saw a couple of women up on the
tram line, but they're no longer

676
00:34:24,010 --> 00:34:27,530
here, but she just sees bits of
history, like glimpses, I guess.

677
00:34:28,170 --> 00:34:30,210
But she could also see
how people were murdered.

678
00:34:30,210 --> 00:34:33,300
So she found about four or five
spots where there were murders.

679
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,960
And they're all going, oh yeah,
I can feel that, I can feel

680
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,690
like this person's been stabbed.

681
00:34:38,100 --> 00:34:42,030
So, on my tour we stop at those places and
I say, now just think about whether it's

682
00:34:42,030 --> 00:34:44,140
male or female, how your body's feeling.

683
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,960
And some people get sore guts, some
people get sore around the neck.

684
00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:50,440
So, some people can actually
pick up how other people work.

685
00:34:50,855 --> 00:34:51,405
Murdered.

686
00:34:51,465 --> 00:34:53,285
So that is always interesting.

687
00:34:53,285 --> 00:34:58,685
So if I've got four different groups
out, but they're all really in tune, the

688
00:34:58,685 --> 00:35:03,225
murder scenes are actually fascinating
because someone will pick it up and like,

689
00:35:03,315 --> 00:35:04,905
they'll all go, that's unbelievable.

690
00:35:04,905 --> 00:35:07,515
And some of them don't even know
that they've got that gift and it

691
00:35:07,625 --> 00:35:10,575
actually freaks them out a bit that
they've gone, Oh my goodness, I've got

692
00:35:10,985 --> 00:35:14,205
three So that's probably, I know that
hasn't answered your question totally,

693
00:35:14,225 --> 00:35:18,740
but it's, More about the people on
the tour, I think, than the areas.

694
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,370
So, what about the Conti?

695
00:35:21,990 --> 00:35:25,770
It's just had a renovation,
it's looking very swish.

696
00:35:26,170 --> 00:35:27,610
Tell me about the history there.

697
00:35:28,090 --> 00:35:29,350
What have you experienced?

698
00:35:29,470 --> 00:35:31,000
I used to go there.

699
00:35:31,210 --> 00:35:35,440
So, when I first started doing the tours,
my plan was to go and do the Continental.

700
00:35:35,830 --> 00:35:38,710
But unfortunately, the lady that was
running it said it's not actually

701
00:35:38,710 --> 00:35:40,360
safe to wander around inside.

702
00:35:40,935 --> 00:35:44,585
So all my tours from outside the
buildings, but I have discovered once

703
00:35:44,585 --> 00:35:48,625
you talk about people while you're
outside the building, they'll come out.

704
00:35:48,995 --> 00:35:51,485
So George Koppen, I don't know
whether you've heard of him.

705
00:35:51,535 --> 00:35:54,135
He's sort of called
the father of Sorrento.

706
00:35:54,395 --> 00:35:56,295
He haunted the Conti.

707
00:35:56,355 --> 00:35:57,745
I've been back since the renovation.

708
00:35:57,745 --> 00:36:01,205
They've done a beautiful job, but I
haven't been in there looking for George.

709
00:36:01,305 --> 00:36:04,765
I probably should go and see if he's
still hanging around, but he was

710
00:36:04,765 --> 00:36:06,945
a really naughty ghost in there.

711
00:36:06,955 --> 00:36:10,135
He used to shut people in the
pantry while they were getting.

712
00:36:10,455 --> 00:36:10,885
Stuff out.

713
00:36:10,885 --> 00:36:14,955
They said when they were making cocktails,
they'd turn away to get another ingredient

714
00:36:14,985 --> 00:36:16,945
and someone had turned the machine on.

715
00:36:17,535 --> 00:36:20,045
You'd go to the toilet, someone
had turned the lights out.

716
00:36:20,125 --> 00:36:23,215
So he was a really naughty ghost.

717
00:36:23,385 --> 00:36:26,615
But so he definitely was hanging around
there, but he would come out and have

718
00:36:26,625 --> 00:36:28,909
a chat too when I started the tours.

719
00:36:29,390 --> 00:36:32,510
But once they started the renovations,
we couldn't get close and I've changed my

720
00:36:32,510 --> 00:36:34,150
tour a bit because it was going too long.

721
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:35,570
So I had to cut it down a little bit.

722
00:36:36,020 --> 00:36:39,670
But I know when the bank got, there's
a bank, their national bank, when they

723
00:36:39,670 --> 00:36:42,770
renovated that a lot of people got
kept getting pushed down the stairs.

724
00:36:43,330 --> 00:36:47,350
So the ghosts that were in the bank
weren't happy about the, the renovation.

725
00:36:47,630 --> 00:36:50,380
But I haven't talked to anyone
that was doing that at the Conti.

726
00:36:50,380 --> 00:36:53,360
So I don't know what's going
on with all the ghosts.

727
00:36:53,710 --> 00:36:59,600
So it feels like they have the ability
to communicate with you in some way,

728
00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:04,300
even though they're sort of stuck
here, they can still communicate.

729
00:37:04,620 --> 00:37:08,620
With your experience, and I'm only
asking about your own personal

730
00:37:08,620 --> 00:37:12,500
experience, how would you describe
the different sort of realms?

731
00:37:12,510 --> 00:37:16,410
You've touched on it a little bit,
but is it energy, do you feel, or?

732
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:16,900
Yeah.

733
00:37:17,340 --> 00:37:19,830
Scientists would actually say
it's just a ball of energy, and

734
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:20,720
that would be what they'd say.

735
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:22,850
I don't know.

736
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:29,080
But apparently they can exist
in, so you might have two or

737
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,540
three ghosts in the one area, but
they're not all in the same realm.

738
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:34,340
And I don't understand that.

739
00:37:34,810 --> 00:37:38,530
And I, because I haven't gone to go to
do any study, that would be something

740
00:37:38,530 --> 00:37:41,090
that would be really interesting
for you to interview someone that

741
00:37:41,090 --> 00:37:45,490
actually does all that study to find
out more than what I, I know about it.

742
00:37:45,770 --> 00:37:50,460
But you've actually seen that
personally, that you've recorded

743
00:37:50,510 --> 00:37:53,630
people citing I suppose different eras.

744
00:37:53,970 --> 00:37:55,880
Different eras, definitely.

745
00:37:56,180 --> 00:37:58,210
Different ways of seeing ghosts.

746
00:37:58,870 --> 00:38:03,190
I had a guy on my tour about two
months ago that just sees shoes,

747
00:38:03,710 --> 00:38:05,430
and he'll see shoes walking down.

748
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:05,960
Oh wow.

749
00:38:05,980 --> 00:38:09,860
Yeah, I know, and see, after 14 years,
I've never heard of that before.

750
00:38:10,470 --> 00:38:13,190
So people see things, some
people just see I think I had

751
00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:15,010
someone that just saw a head.

752
00:38:15,900 --> 00:38:17,450
I've had people that see fairies.

753
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,130
People that see aliens.

754
00:38:19,350 --> 00:38:20,539
I've had people that see ghosts.

755
00:38:21,050 --> 00:38:24,350
Yeah, it's just extraordinary
what people actually see.

756
00:38:24,610 --> 00:38:28,150
People that have seen death
auras, people that see orbs.

757
00:38:28,870 --> 00:38:32,800
Can you explain death
auras and orbs for us?

758
00:38:32,950 --> 00:38:34,430
Well, I don't know much
about the death auras.

759
00:38:34,690 --> 00:38:38,930
I just know she just said that if she
sees a certain colour around someone,

760
00:38:38,930 --> 00:38:41,960
then she knows that they're not
going to be in the world much longer.

761
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:42,740
Yeah, right.

762
00:38:42,770 --> 00:38:44,160
And I said, have I got one of those?

763
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:45,390
She said, no, you're good.

764
00:38:46,350 --> 00:38:48,570
She said, but that's a
really awful thing to have.

765
00:38:49,350 --> 00:38:51,460
She said that she wishes
she didn't have that.

766
00:38:51,935 --> 00:38:55,325
The orbs are an interesting one,
because they see, because you can pick

767
00:38:55,325 --> 00:38:59,245
up orbs on cameras, but you've got to
make sure you're not looking, you've

768
00:38:59,245 --> 00:39:02,555
probably seen one, if you, you know,
you focus your camera at a light, you

769
00:39:02,565 --> 00:39:06,375
can sometimes get an orb, or if there's
dust particles, you can get orbs.

770
00:39:07,585 --> 00:39:12,795
Sometimes on my tours, we've actually
seen the orbs through the camera lens,

771
00:39:13,025 --> 00:39:14,675
and they've been bouncing around.

772
00:39:15,145 --> 00:39:18,955
And then I'll say, if I hold the
camera, you won't see the orb.

773
00:39:19,215 --> 00:39:21,785
And I'll hold the camera
and the orb will disappear.

774
00:39:21,785 --> 00:39:25,565
And then when whoever owns the camera gets
the camera back, the orb will come back.

775
00:39:26,135 --> 00:39:27,375
It's sort of bizarre.

776
00:39:27,825 --> 00:39:31,805
People just see things so differently,
but they know something's there.

777
00:39:32,255 --> 00:39:37,855
Yeah, I remember visiting Port Arthur,
and there's a particular cottage in

778
00:39:37,865 --> 00:39:41,565
Port Arthur with a rocking chair,
where they do have a selection of

779
00:39:41,615 --> 00:39:47,065
photographs of people that have taken
them, and it shows different orbs and

780
00:39:47,065 --> 00:39:51,945
different specks of light, and, but it's
always around this particular rocking

781
00:39:51,945 --> 00:39:54,365
chair, and that really stays with me.

782
00:39:54,435 --> 00:39:58,725
Yes, I've had lots of those photos, and
the beauty of, of course, mobile phones

783
00:39:58,725 --> 00:40:00,485
now, they can show you straight away.

784
00:40:01,015 --> 00:40:05,835
And I've had photos of a big indigenous
face on the side of a rubbish bin.

785
00:40:06,355 --> 00:40:07,305
It was extraordinary.

786
00:40:07,315 --> 00:40:09,355
And I think it's the guy that
got hit at the back of the head.

787
00:40:10,125 --> 00:40:13,565
And then when we got to the end of the
tour and they went to give it to me,

788
00:40:13,565 --> 00:40:15,275
the photo had actually just disappeared.

789
00:40:15,795 --> 00:40:20,245
And sometimes when people take photos
at the end of the tour, they'll go to a

790
00:40:20,245 --> 00:40:22,185
semi one and they'll go, where's it gone?

791
00:40:22,185 --> 00:40:25,285
And they're, Someone has mucked
up all the order of the photos.

792
00:40:25,425 --> 00:40:27,325
So they're not even in
the order of the tour.

793
00:40:27,775 --> 00:40:29,245
And I do think that is a gift.

794
00:40:29,275 --> 00:40:32,415
Now that's not something I've read
anywhere, but I think apart from,

795
00:40:32,455 --> 00:40:35,835
I think if you can take ghost
photos, that's an actual gift.

796
00:40:35,850 --> 00:40:41,420
Like being a clairvoyant in,
you know, an empath or being

797
00:40:41,420 --> 00:40:43,180
a different, a different way.

798
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:44,920
Black shadows is another thing.

799
00:40:44,930 --> 00:40:48,150
You get some black shadows
sometimes of an outline of people.

800
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:49,320
They're always a bit spooky.

801
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,900
I always feel they're a bit
scary, but I don't know.

802
00:40:52,180 --> 00:40:53,600
See, that's where I'm not educated.

803
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:54,440
I probably should find out.

804
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:55,240
It might not be scary.

805
00:40:55,240 --> 00:40:58,380
It might be just the way
that person takes photos.

806
00:40:58,930 --> 00:41:00,980
Yeah, no, it's really,
it's so fascinating.

807
00:41:01,470 --> 00:41:07,120
Just this, this change Transcribed In you
and the documentation and the fact that,

808
00:41:07,180 --> 00:41:12,180
you know, obviously it's been over a 14
year period that you've experienced this.

809
00:41:12,610 --> 00:41:17,050
That's a huge wealth of information,
of anecdotal information to have

810
00:41:17,050 --> 00:41:18,730
recorded during that period.

811
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:19,050
It is.

812
00:41:19,050 --> 00:41:21,960
I've often thought I should
write a little coffee book.

813
00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:26,830
you know, coffee table book and just,
except I haven't taken any good, well I've

814
00:41:26,830 --> 00:41:29,620
got some good photos actually, but yes.

815
00:41:29,810 --> 00:41:31,670
Like it's an amazing resource.

816
00:41:31,720 --> 00:41:35,940
What does it tell you about
life as we live it now?

817
00:41:36,510 --> 00:41:37,670
The afterlife?

818
00:41:37,870 --> 00:41:42,780
After recording all of these
experiences, what's your thoughts?

819
00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:46,090
My thoughts are there's definitely
more than what just goes on here.

820
00:41:46,220 --> 00:41:50,550
Definitely we're being looked after
most of the time by someone or Spirit

821
00:41:50,590 --> 00:41:54,250
guides or whatever, because you know,
a lot of people have told me stories

822
00:41:54,250 --> 00:41:57,680
about just the other day, someone
was telling me that their three

823
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,670
year old was standing under a sign.

824
00:42:00,155 --> 00:42:05,995
and the kid suddenly got pushed
forward by nothing, nothing there.

825
00:42:05,995 --> 00:42:08,795
The kid just fell forward
and then the sign fell down.

826
00:42:09,285 --> 00:42:13,165
So it was like someone had
pushed the child out of the way.

827
00:42:13,515 --> 00:42:15,105
There's definitely more going on.

828
00:42:15,135 --> 00:42:19,495
I think a lot of my ghosts choose
to come back and say hello.

829
00:42:19,575 --> 00:42:23,225
I have heard people say that they'll
talk, say to their dad for years.

830
00:42:23,725 --> 00:42:26,835
And then once the dad, their
dad thinks they're okay, then

831
00:42:26,835 --> 00:42:28,185
they won't ever see them again.

832
00:42:28,315 --> 00:42:31,205
So sometimes they'll just hang
around until they're ready.

833
00:42:31,655 --> 00:42:36,345
I've been told that there are people,
like with my dad when he passed away, that

834
00:42:36,475 --> 00:42:41,825
he'll be wherever he is because he's got a
few lessons to learn before he comes back.

835
00:42:42,170 --> 00:42:46,860
So he's up there learning whatever that
is, whatever that is at the moment.

836
00:42:47,340 --> 00:42:48,580
So yeah, I don't know.

837
00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:50,740
And some people say you get reborn.

838
00:42:50,860 --> 00:42:55,060
Some people say, you know, say with my
children, that I could have been connected

839
00:42:55,170 --> 00:42:57,290
to them in a past life, possibly.

840
00:42:57,460 --> 00:42:59,850
So I've met people that
can see past lives.

841
00:43:00,740 --> 00:43:02,070
Yeah, it's just amazing.

842
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:03,970
So are we reborn?

843
00:43:03,980 --> 00:43:05,510
Do we just keep coming back?

844
00:43:06,010 --> 00:43:06,580
Maybe.

845
00:43:06,820 --> 00:43:10,880
There's always been that
portrayal of good and bad.

846
00:43:11,430 --> 00:43:16,230
Do you see that in what you've
Witnessed, or what the stories

847
00:43:16,230 --> 00:43:17,470
that have been told to you.

848
00:43:17,750 --> 00:43:21,830
Do you feel that there is a good and
a bad, or a good and an evil, or?

849
00:43:21,970 --> 00:43:23,900
Yeah, unfortunately I do.

850
00:43:24,260 --> 00:43:27,630
I'm very lucky on my ghost tour,
because I did children's tours

851
00:43:27,630 --> 00:43:31,920
for a bit, and I've got one bad
ghost, the abductor, comes out.

852
00:43:32,140 --> 00:43:34,430
And, because people feel things.

853
00:43:34,650 --> 00:43:36,920
Often, when I have a child
on the tour, they'll go, Oh,

854
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,540
my left hand's really cold.

855
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:40,010
What does that mean?

856
00:43:40,450 --> 00:43:41,580
And he used to lead them off.

857
00:43:41,590 --> 00:43:44,770
Apparently he'd hold their hands
and lead them off to abduct them.

858
00:43:44,770 --> 00:43:47,250
So he's my only evil one.

859
00:43:47,340 --> 00:43:49,440
And I mean, everyone's safe from him now.

860
00:43:49,470 --> 00:43:50,620
Cause I was worried about that.

861
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,320
Apparently we're totally safe.

862
00:43:52,370 --> 00:43:55,180
I do a cleanse now, well I
did right from the start.

863
00:43:55,770 --> 00:43:58,600
Cause the clairvoyant said, you must
do a cleanse at the end of the tour.

864
00:43:58,940 --> 00:44:01,510
They've suggested I do a cleanse
at the start of the tour too,

865
00:44:01,510 --> 00:44:03,470
but I quite like people feeling.

866
00:44:04,035 --> 00:44:07,605
feeling everything and they're also
at the start of the tour they're not

867
00:44:07,605 --> 00:44:10,095
always convinced there's something
out there but by the end of the tour

868
00:44:10,115 --> 00:44:12,895
most people want to do the cleanse
because they've felt something.

869
00:44:13,075 --> 00:44:14,585
And what is the cleanse Jenny?

870
00:44:14,735 --> 00:44:18,195
The cleanse is the way I do it which
I've been taught to do is you surround

871
00:44:18,225 --> 00:44:23,295
yourself by a white light and the idea
is it's like stepping into an eggshell

872
00:44:23,605 --> 00:44:27,665
and you just Cleanse yourself from any
of the entities that have come past.

873
00:44:28,235 --> 00:44:31,705
I always say, thank you so much for
coming out today, but I'd love you to

874
00:44:31,725 --> 00:44:33,795
stay in Sorrento, not come home with me.

875
00:44:34,005 --> 00:44:36,135
And then you can brush yourself down.

876
00:44:36,615 --> 00:44:37,485
So we do that.

877
00:44:37,905 --> 00:44:40,655
And look, most ghosts, because
they're, they're just like you or

878
00:44:40,675 --> 00:44:41,835
me, if I said, can you just go away?

879
00:44:42,535 --> 00:44:43,015
Please.

880
00:44:43,415 --> 00:44:44,255
You would go away.

881
00:44:44,665 --> 00:44:46,785
It's the ones that are hanging
on us that you just need to

882
00:44:46,825 --> 00:44:48,255
be a little bit careful with.

883
00:44:48,435 --> 00:44:51,225
It's really rare you pick one
up from a ghost tour apparently.

884
00:44:51,735 --> 00:44:55,805
But I did have a priest come on the
tour that said if you say in the name of

885
00:44:55,805 --> 00:44:59,165
Jesus Christ, leave me alone, that works.

886
00:44:59,205 --> 00:45:01,035
And I do do that with that evil one.

887
00:45:01,545 --> 00:45:04,355
Once we've had enough of him,
I'll say in the name of Jesus

888
00:45:04,355 --> 00:45:05,575
Christ, just leave us alone.

889
00:45:05,615 --> 00:45:06,975
And that's been very effective.

890
00:45:07,830 --> 00:45:10,320
So I don't know what that, I
don't understand that either,

891
00:45:10,820 --> 00:45:12,600
but it's, it's effective.

892
00:45:13,060 --> 00:45:14,560
And what do you think?

893
00:45:15,170 --> 00:45:17,500
It's sort of told you about life.

894
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,490
Do you live life differently?

895
00:45:19,980 --> 00:45:22,970
What's been the impact of
running these tours for you?

896
00:45:23,060 --> 00:45:24,210
I definitely am different.

897
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:28,720
I'm definitely far more
Interested in people.

898
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,515
I mean I've heard so many ghost stories
now You know, and I, I actually still

899
00:45:32,515 --> 00:45:36,795
don't mind hearing people's ghost
stories, but I'm far more interested

900
00:45:36,805 --> 00:45:42,365
in things I don't know about, like
the UFOs or the fairies or the past

901
00:45:42,365 --> 00:45:47,505
lives and all that stuff that doesn't
come up a lot on my ghost tours, but

902
00:45:47,505 --> 00:45:51,895
I kind of eat that up bow and go,
Oh, that's so, that's so interesting.

903
00:45:52,385 --> 00:45:57,125
And the indigenous too, like I'm far
more interested in their spirituality.

904
00:45:57,595 --> 00:46:00,375
That's probably something that
I've had a real growth in.

905
00:46:00,685 --> 00:46:01,275
I think.

906
00:46:01,815 --> 00:46:06,945
People's pain from the past, I've
had to learn not to feel it because

907
00:46:06,945 --> 00:46:12,585
apparently I am an empath and I can
now listen and be empathetic without

908
00:46:12,585 --> 00:46:15,655
feeling everything, which is really good.

909
00:46:15,655 --> 00:46:16,725
I've had to work on that.

910
00:46:17,235 --> 00:46:18,035
I've learned a lot.

911
00:46:18,165 --> 00:46:18,985
I love history.

912
00:46:19,395 --> 00:46:23,955
I can't get enough of history, but I've
always been a bit like that anyway.

913
00:46:24,340 --> 00:46:26,220
I don't think I live my
life any differently.

914
00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:33,360
I think people expect more from me, like
particularly my good friends that have

915
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:38,320
had people pass away, they're hoping
that I'll be some sort of channel.

916
00:46:38,780 --> 00:46:44,100
Sometimes I can be and sometimes
I'm not, so that's hard to be,

917
00:46:44,540 --> 00:46:46,720
perform, if that makes sense.

918
00:46:47,190 --> 00:46:50,000
And has it had made you more curious?

919
00:46:51,170 --> 00:46:51,780
Definitely.

920
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:53,410
Less judgmental perhaps?

921
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:55,590
Yeah, definitely less judgmental.

922
00:46:56,075 --> 00:47:01,515
If someone has like a problem, it could
be deeper than what we can just see.

923
00:47:02,125 --> 00:47:05,455
Because it could be coming
from, hush, anywhere, not just

924
00:47:05,455 --> 00:47:06,545
what's just happened to them.

925
00:47:06,595 --> 00:47:09,915
It could be past trauma, it could
be, you know, it could be anything.

926
00:47:10,395 --> 00:47:16,375
And do you feel that some locations
retain good energy, bad energy?

927
00:47:16,645 --> 00:47:17,415
Yep, definitely.

928
00:47:17,705 --> 00:47:21,275
I think I can walk now into a house
and feel energy a little bit better.

929
00:47:21,395 --> 00:47:24,235
Because my mum used to walk in
and say, oh, don't like it here.

930
00:47:24,235 --> 00:47:25,774
I'd go, it's fine, it's fine.

931
00:47:25,775 --> 00:47:27,035
And I'm still not like her.

932
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,480
But I can walk in and she can go,
I don't like it here and I can

933
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:32,680
still go, I know, I don't mind it.

934
00:47:33,170 --> 00:47:36,020
But sometimes I walk in
and go, I don't like it.

935
00:47:36,220 --> 00:47:39,370
Sometimes I'm going for a
walk on the back beach here.

936
00:47:39,570 --> 00:47:43,500
Oh, there's a couple of little tracks
I always go down every now and again.

937
00:47:43,500 --> 00:47:43,790
I'll I'll walk.

938
00:47:44,210 --> 00:47:49,590
Here, something in the back of my mind,
no not today, don't go that way, and I

939
00:47:49,590 --> 00:47:51,610
turn around and I'll go the other way.

940
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:55,090
I've done on the ghost tours too,
where I've just had this feeling

941
00:47:55,090 --> 00:47:58,090
that we're not supposed to go in a
particular way, so I'll change it up.

942
00:47:58,810 --> 00:48:02,000
So I listen to my instincts
a lot more than I ever did.

943
00:48:02,245 --> 00:48:06,895
And do you think that is something that's
innate in us, but we forget to listen to?

944
00:48:07,015 --> 00:48:09,805
Yeah, and I think
probably everyone has it.

945
00:48:09,825 --> 00:48:11,555
And I know what I was
like when I was younger.

946
00:48:11,605 --> 00:48:13,105
I would go, I'm being stupid.

947
00:48:13,235 --> 00:48:16,155
And I'd dash back in and do
whatever I was going to do.

948
00:48:16,205 --> 00:48:19,345
I wouldn't listen to that warning at all.

949
00:48:19,455 --> 00:48:22,925
Whereas now I'm very conscious
of listening to the warnings.

950
00:48:23,345 --> 00:48:26,705
Because you know, they, they
talk about the old gut instinct

951
00:48:26,875 --> 00:48:30,785
and how it's connected to that
primitive part of the brain.

952
00:48:31,035 --> 00:48:34,675
Yeah, well I had a really interesting
experience too one night with

953
00:48:34,675 --> 00:48:36,205
a girlfriend in Port Melbourne.

954
00:48:36,355 --> 00:48:41,425
We'd actually just done a hypnotherapy
course together and we were walking

955
00:48:41,465 --> 00:48:44,005
across a road at Port Melbourne.

956
00:48:44,525 --> 00:48:48,725
I said to her out of the blue, I could
hear something, she heard nothing.

957
00:48:49,305 --> 00:48:50,915
I said run, just run.

958
00:48:51,305 --> 00:48:54,465
And she, luckily she
just fired my instinct.

959
00:48:54,945 --> 00:48:57,555
Well, my direction, which I can't
believe she, cause I mean, if

960
00:48:57,555 --> 00:48:59,505
someone said to me, run, I'd go, why?

961
00:49:00,035 --> 00:49:06,085
But she just ran and a car came
and smashed into the light pole.

962
00:49:06,215 --> 00:49:08,145
And she said, how'd you know to say run?

963
00:49:08,245 --> 00:49:08,965
There was no noise.

964
00:49:08,965 --> 00:49:11,795
But I said, I heard a car going too fast.

965
00:49:12,355 --> 00:49:14,885
She goes, no, there was
no, there was no sound.

966
00:49:15,265 --> 00:49:18,615
So maybe, you know,
someone was protecting us.

967
00:49:18,615 --> 00:49:22,525
And fortunately she ran when
I said run and we both, you

968
00:49:22,525 --> 00:49:24,300
know, Here to tell the tale.

969
00:49:24,630 --> 00:49:29,020
Well, I think that sounds like it's
good advice that perhaps we should all

970
00:49:29,020 --> 00:49:32,830
listen to our gut feelings and those
little voices in the back of our heads

971
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,190
sometimes and be open and curious.

972
00:49:36,460 --> 00:49:39,050
Yeah, and it is so much
fun being open and curious.

973
00:49:39,290 --> 00:49:41,620
It opens up a whole new world, really.

974
00:49:41,850 --> 00:49:44,070
Yeah, it certainly sounds
like it has for you.

975
00:49:44,140 --> 00:49:49,000
And something that's been documented
for 14 years of repeated behavior

976
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,890
that is constantly seen and repeated.

977
00:49:51,980 --> 00:49:57,500
Yeah, and people seeing the same ghosts
and describing them the same way.

978
00:49:57,715 --> 00:49:58,585
Yeah, it's amazing.

979
00:49:58,815 --> 00:50:00,485
Absolutely fascinating, Jenny.

980
00:50:01,085 --> 00:50:03,785
Do you have anything else that
you'd like to share with us at all?

981
00:50:03,985 --> 00:50:05,165
No, I think I've talked a lot.

982
00:50:06,175 --> 00:50:08,215
No, it's been an absolute pleasure.

983
00:50:08,355 --> 00:50:12,885
Thank you for giving us such an insight
to, you know, one of us might go to a

984
00:50:12,885 --> 00:50:18,395
one time, but to actually speak to you
about what you've seen over such a long

985
00:50:18,395 --> 00:50:20,875
period of time is just fascinating.

986
00:50:20,875 --> 00:50:22,035
So, thank you so much.

987
00:50:22,315 --> 00:50:23,015
It's my pleasure.

988
00:50:23,125 --> 00:50:23,655
Thank you, Catherine.

989
00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:30,130
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